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Bai nene, esti prost? Ce greseala am facut eu in limba romana? Eu am un PhD in English, asa ca scuteste-ma cu amaratul tau de master, muslimo! Auzi, de unde am nascocit "Life's a bitch, and then you die". Ii zice sentence in limba engleza, studiaza cum vine chestia asta. E clar, toti musulmanii sufera de prostie congenitale. Explicabil de fapt, too much inbreeding. |
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Kathara Postat pe 27 Februarie 2009 09:28 |
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De la: Kathara, la data 2009-02-27 09:28:40Bai nene, esti prost? Ce greseala am facut eu in limba romana? M AI OMORAT CU REVELATIA TA, TU SI PHD IN ENGLEZA? WILLIAM SHAKESPEARE SARACUL A INCEPUT SA SE TAVALEASCA IN MORMANTUL LUI. TU ESTI NEBUNA SAU CE E CU TINE? LA ENGLEZA N AI UN NIVEL DE 10 CLASE SI ZICI CA IESTI PHD. PE CINE VREI SA L PROSTESTI. TU CREZI TOATA LUMEA E PROASTA? IN LIMBA ROMANA NUMAI NEEDUCATI LA UN NIVEL FOARTE DE JOS SAU PROSTII FOLOSESC PANARAMA IN LOC DE "PANORAMA". IA UN DICTIONAR DE LIMBA ROMANA IN MANA SI INTOARCE PAGINI , EXISTA CUVINTUL PANARAMA?. AI PHD SI LA ROMANA, CUM AI IN ENGLEZA, DA, NU E ASA? "LIFE IS A BITCH AND THEN YOU DIE". ASTA A FOST LUCRAREA TA LA PHD IN ENGLEZA? MA ESTI UN ELEMENT COMIC. |
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salimgandapur Postat pe 27 Februarie 2009 14:04 |
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De la: salimgandapur, la data 2009-02-27 14:04:38De la: Kathara, la data 2009-02-27 09:28:40Bai nene, esti prost? Ce greseala am facut eu in limba romana? 
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myeyes Postat pe 27 Februarie 2009 14:17 |
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| In romania sau in europa ce inseamna "islam"cu adevarat?eu una sincer nu cred .eu am trait in asia multi ani.din pacate din cauza la valul care voi il purtati sunt multe tinere in turcia care nu sunt acceptate la facultate sau mai rau nici macar in scoala.eu una cred sa nu stai sa te gandesti la ce zice lumea fii tu fericta asa cum esti.allah emanet! | ||
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anne_maggy Postat pe 27 Februarie 2009 16:17 |
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Unde am zis eu panarama in loc de panorama? Lasand la o parte detaliul ca sunt inrudite etimologic esti amabil sa imi citezi? Daca ai descoperit tehnica asta intre timp, poate la disertatie, poate poate. Si daca "life's a bitch and then you die", te-a impresionat, mai uite una de la mine "when life gets hard, fu_k it!". Si mai stiu o gramada, ca aia e , sunt multilateral dezvoltata intr-ale englezii (exprimare ironica, draga traumatizatule brutalizat, asa ne invata in Mossad) |
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Kathara Postat pe 27 Februarie 2009 18:03 |
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De la: Ali_Alina, la data 2009-02-25 21:29:24mori scarnaviemai maiculita gindirea ta se apropie mult de scrierile din Coran! 
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FRANNNCE Postat pe 27 Februarie 2009 18:20 |
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De la: FRANNNCE, la data 2009-02-27 18:20:24De la: Ali_Alina, la data 2009-02-25 21:29:24mori scarnaviemai maiculita gindirea ta se apropie mult de scrierile din Coran! E cu un picior in Rai deja! |
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Kathara Postat pe 27 Februarie 2009 18:32 |
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De la: FRANNNCE, la data 2009-02-27 18:20:24De la: Ali_Alina, la data 2009-02-25 21:29:24mori scarnaviemai maiculita gindirea ta se apropie mult de scrierile din Coran! in Coranul inventat de tine poate... |
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myeyes Postat pe 27 Februarie 2009 18:37 |
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De la: Kathara, la data 2009-02-27 18:32:45De la: FRANNNCE, la data 2009-02-27 18:20:24De la: Ali_Alina, la data 2009-02-25 21:29:24mori scarnaviemai maiculita gindirea ta se apropie mult de scrierile din Coran! tot proasta ai ramas 
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myeyes Postat pe 27 Februarie 2009 18:38 |
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De la: Ali_Alina, la data 2009-02-27 18:37:28De la: FRANNNCE, la data 2009-02-27 18:20:24De la: Ali_Alina, la data 2009-02-25 21:29:24mori scarnaviemai maiculita gindirea ta se apropie mult de scrierile din Coran!  fara comentarii! auzi dar sint sigura ca ai citit tu ceva ,ceva din pasajul ala cu omorurile........nu de alta dar iti ramase in minte!
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FRANNNCE Postat pe 27 Februarie 2009 18:42 |
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| Nu te mai deranja, saraca e asa proasta ca nici nu pricepe cand o da in balti. | ||
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Kathara Postat pe 27 Februarie 2009 18:43 |
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De la: Kathara, la data 2009-02-27 18:43:48Nu te mai deranja, saraca e asa proasta ca nici nu pricepe cand o da in balti. cine vb ia zi ne cum face oaia??
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myeyes Postat pe 27 Februarie 2009 19:48 |
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De la: FRANNNCE, la data 2009-02-27 18:42:38De la: Ali_Alina, la data 2009-02-27 18:37:28De la: FRANNNCE, la data 2009-02-27 18:20:24De la: Ali_Alina, la data 2009-02-25 21:29:24mori scarnaviemai maiculita gindirea ta se apropie mult de scrierile din Coran! esti fara scapare..... |
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myeyes Postat pe 27 Februarie 2009 19:49 |
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De la: FRANNNCE, la data 2009-02-27 18:20:24De la: Ali_Alina, la data 2009-02-25 21:29:24mori scarnaviemai maiculita gindirea ta se apropie mult de scrierile din Coran! De fapt tre' sa recunosc ca scarnavie e chiar frumos spus. Adica imi place cum suna...il voi considera de acum incolo unul din cuvintele mele preferate: sihastru, coquelicot etc Poza e misto de asemenea Edward Cullen, ex Cedric Diggory 
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amalia18 Postat pe 28 Februarie 2009 03:32 |
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De la: Kathara, la data 2009-02-27 18:03:36Unde am zis eu panarama in loc de panorama? Lasand la o parte detaliul ca sunt inrudite etimologic esti amabil sa imi citezi? Daca ai descoperit tehnica asta intre timp, poate la disertatie, poate poate. MADAM PHD, VAD CA NU ESTI NORMALA SI NU TREBUIE SA MAI PIERD TIMPUL CU TINE. DE FACT AM VRUT SA VADA FATA TA ADEVARATA TOTI PARTICIPANTI DE PE FORUM. De la: Kathara, la data 2009-02-15 17:59:48 De la: amirah_gh, la data 2009-02-15 14:03:22 eu sunt de acord cu circumcizia la barbati,dar la femei cu siguranta NU!oricum cei care practica asta ,in primul rand sant f putini,si din cate stiu eu,in irak si africa...asta e o prostie sa mutilezi niste fetite,DAR repet ca nu toti musulmanii procedeaza si sunt de acord cu asta.oricum kathara,faptul ca tie nu ti place religia asta ,nu inseamna sa sari la gatul altuia care e musulman.nu e frumos ce faci. Eu niciodata nu am intentionat sa aduc discutia in sfera personalului. Din pacate, atunci cand am dicutat clar, pe versete fin coran, musulmancele neavand argumente au decis ca e musai ca eu sa fiu o panarama. De acord, nu toti musulmanii practica mutilarea ganitale, dar unii o practica. Spre deosebire de crestinusm unde nu e practicata deloc. AI VAZUT MADAM PANARAMA, PHD (BALAMUC), UNDE AI SCRIS TU? CUM RAMANE CU "AUTOCORECTAT" SI "INTELIGENTA". |
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salimgandapur Postat pe 28 Februarie 2009 06:10 |
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| E clar, esti prost. Panarama este un cuvant care exista in limba romana, inseamna "femeie desfranata". Este cuvantul care se cerea folosit in contextul dat, in niciun caz panorama care inseamna "vedere, priveliste". Asta intentionam sa zic, asta am zis. Priceput-ai sau e mai greu cu stresul postraumatic? | ||
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Kathara Postat pe 28 Februarie 2009 08:33 |
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De la: Kathara, la data 2009-02-28 08:33:09E clar, esti prost. Panarama este un cuvant care exista in limba romana, inseamna "femeie desfranata". Este cuvantul care se cerea folosit in contextul dat, in niciun caz panorama care inseamna "vedere, priveliste". Asta intentionam sa zic, asta am zis. Priceput-ai sau e mai greu cu stresul postraumatic? MADAM PHD, N ARE NICI UN ROST SI NICI NU INCERCA SA TE MAI JUSTIFICI. BA NEGI CA UNDE AI SCRIS BA ZICI CA EXISTA IN LIMBA ROMANA. PANARAMA E UN CUVANT FOLOSIT IN LIMBAJUL ------------- STII TU BINE CINE. N ARE NIMIC DE AFACE CU LIMBA ROMANA LITERARA. PROSTUL E CEL MAI DESTEPT PANA TACE. TU AI VORBIT CAM MULT. TE AM EXTERMINAT CA PE O COROPISNITA. N AI GRIJA, NIMENI PE AICI N O SA DUCA DE LIPSA TA. |
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salimgandapur Postat pe 1 Martie 2009 13:41 |
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De la: salimgandapur, la data 2009-03-01 13:41:13De la: Kathara, la data 2009-02-28 08:33:09E clar, esti prost. Panarama este un cuvant care exista in limba romana, inseamna "femeie desfranata". Este cuvantul care se cerea folosit in contextul dat, in niciun caz panorama care inseamna "vedere, priveliste". Asta intentionam sa zic, asta am zis. Priceput-ai sau e mai greu cu stresul postraumatic? Cam greu sa mi se duca lipsa, avand in vedere ca nu am sa plec. Din fericire pentru mine cunosc mai multe paliere ale limbii romane, deci nu ma limitez la cea literara. Oricum, se pare ca "panarama" se suprapune limbajului de bordel (madam) pe care se pare ca il favorizezi. Bun, deci unde am folosit cuvantul ,,panarama" gresit? Tot nu mi-ai aratat, ba dimpotriva, te-ai facut si mai rau de ras, bietule brutalizat. ARATA-MI sau RECUNOASTE CA ESTI PROST! Ai ceva de spus dincolo de incercarile patetice de a dovedi ca nu imi stapanesc propria limba? Ce-i cu tatismele astea? Esti mai rau ca o muiere, bietule brutalizat. Spune ceva cu miez, relevant discutiei, sau taci. |
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Kathara Postat pe 1 Martie 2009 14:33 |
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De la: diannette, la data 2009-02-08 23:23:25salut pe toata lumea. imi cer scuze, sunt novice la acest subiect, dar l-am vazut in lista celor mai discutate. sper sa nu va suparati pe mine daca pun si eu cateva intrebari, pentru cultura mea generala. imi cer scuze daca s-a mai vorbit despre asta. intrebarile mele se adreseaza celor care stiu mai multe despre societatea musulmana, traditie, lege si asa mai departe, pentru ca am observat ca exista persoane care ii apara cu inversunare. E prima data cand cineva intreaba civilizat despre Islam si ne convinge sa raspundem la fel. Raspunsurile la inrebari, aceleasi, politicoase, ca in cazul dvs, sau agresive ca in cazul unor personae participand la forum, arata ca nu poate fi clarificat nici un punct de vedere, obiectiv si dispasionat, pana cand miturile create in west despre Islam ca o religie barbara, pagana, violenta, fanatica, irationala, misogina, antieducatie, inapoiata material si tehnologic pana la miserie-----nu sunt deconstruite punct cu punct. Nu neaparat pt binele Islamului ci de dragul adevarului. Inainte de a intreprinde acest exercitiul, ca musulmani, e nevoie sa va atrag atentia ca unor crestini de buna credinta, sa incercati sa va amintiti onest, care sunt memoriile dvs despre Islam (ante 9/11). De la ce varsta dateaza si in ce fel infomeaza ele baza cunoasterii dvs in general, cetateni crestini si europeni?. La randul nostru, musulmani cu totul impotriva oricarui fel de propaganda, va asiguram ca in ciuda intolerantei de care suntem acuzati, suntem singurii care avand obligatia sa fim toleranti, ne am indeplinit o cu mare generozitate, pana cand am inceput sa fim acuzati de lucruri care se potrivesc mai de graba celor care ne acuza, nu pt ca ne sunt superiori, ci pt ca au puterea politica si militara, pe care noi n am fost lasat sub nici o forma sa le dobandim decat cu conditia de a fi subordonati si controlati. Asta in termini vestici inseamna “CONTAINMENT” o politica pe care westul o duce deschis fata de Islam de la aparitia lui, iar Islamul o ignora din toleranta si incredere in lumea “CIVILIZATA”. Numita politica s a intensificat in ultima suta de ani la inceput pe nesimtite, pana cand, incet incet, am ramas saraciti, colonizati, ignoranti si ignorati, demonizati si acum exterminati si asta daca nu vrem cu nici un chip sa renuntam la identitatea de musulman. Cine e tolerant aici si dispus la dialog, cine e terrorist si cine e terorizat. Daca reusiti o schimbare de perspectiva de cateva grade, vom continua discutia si veti afla lucruri uimitoare pe care tarile dvs civilizate, le tin ascunse si secrete de mai bine de o mie de ani, Ma adresez unor crestini care nu inteleg fascinatia pt Isalm a unora dintre coreliginari lor, mirati de ce nu sunt si ei satisfacuti de predicile de duminica ale unor preoti invatati. VA INTREB ATI CITIT BIBLIILE? (Vechiul Testament Sau, Noul Testament). Crestinismul e una dintre cele trei religii monoteiste si revelate. Ce inseamna pt dvs religia revelata si va mai intreb daca aveti o explicatie pt faptul ca revelatia lui ISUS continuta in cartea care e pomenita in QURAN, INGEEL unde a disparut, unde e azi si de ce mai era nevoie de inca patru Biblii, in general contradictorii si diferite sau copiate, toate aparute in perioade foarte lungi de la disparitia lui ISUS. Daca aveti indoieli despre aceste simple probleme ridicate, vom aduce dovezi ample. In dezbaterea globala actuala Islamul e pus sub semnul interbarii in general de oameni care nu stiu nimic despre el si vorbesc din auzite cu mai multa convingere decat ar fi necesara. ISLAMUL ZICE CA NU EXISTA IMPOZITIE IN RELIGIE (AL-QURAN), asa ca reprosurile musulmanilor impotriva vestului se opresc aici pana sunt lasati in pace. DIN CAUZA ASTA AU RAMAS ATATIA CRESTINI IN TERITORILE MUSULMANE, EVREI, HINDUS SI OAMENI CU RELIGII VECHI IN AFRICA, TINAND CONT CA ACESTE TERITORI AU FOST DOMINATE DE MUSULMANI MAI BINE DE O MIE DE ANI. Cele mai neplacute lucruri despre “Non Muslims” care se pot auzi se refera la lipsa de jena cand isi expun goliciuni corporale, promiscuitatea sexuala si lipsa de igena personala dupa necsitati (spalat nu sters). Musulmanul poate trai in dezordine si chiar murdarie la nevoie dar personal el, hainele lui si patul in care doarme sunt pastrate in curatenea riguroasa din cauza obligatiile religioase. |
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salimgandapur Postat pe 4 Martie 2009 16:57 |
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Draga Salim, Iti multumesc pentru raspuns, foarte elaborat si plin de informatii. Nu am privit niciodata din perspectiva unui musulman. Pentru ca nu am avut ocazia sa am un dialog. Ma folosesc acum de ocazie si as vrea sa discutam putin pe bucatele... 1. Ceea ce ramane din mesajul tau este ideea ca musulmanii sunt victimele violentelor, opresiunii si a lipsei de intelegere din partea natiunilor mai civilizate (sau mai puternice). Poate ca ai dreptate, dar sincer, EAU sunt victime ? Pentru ca de ex Dubaiul este unul din cele mai infloritoare state din ultimii 10 ani, toata lumea convietuieste frumos, economia lor face progrese notabile, etc. Sincer, eu admir foarte mult oamenii care lasa ceva notabil in urma lor si pentru realizarile de pana acum, eu sunt fan Seicul Dubaiului !! :) Sunt multe tari musulmane civilizate si foarte bogate si in general astea sunt cele mai deschise la cooperare si dialog. Asa ca in continuare frustrarea care a dus la atatea atentate, ramane pentru mine un mister. Mai mult decat atat, parerea generala este ca societatile musulmane nu fac mari eforturi prea mari in combaterea terorismului chiar din randurile lor... Ei nu combat decat amenintarile la adresa lor ? I don't buy it... Este o atitudine pasiva care poate sa ne coste pe toti, inclusiv pe voi. 2. Spuneai ca aceasta religie / mod de viata nu este anti-educatie. Bun. Tema pentru data viitoare daca te intereseaza, hai sa vedem in cate tari arabe este interzis accesul femeilor la educatie. Prin lege. Exista o justificare pentru asta ? Este ceva temporar ? Se lucreaza la formarea unor institutii de invatamant pentru femei ? Adica e ceva obiectiv si folositor sau doar o forma impusa de statele extremiste care nu se gandesc la consecinte ? 3. De ce trebuie sa faci comparatia cu religia crestina / biblia etc ? Ce legatura au nene ? Ma asteptam sa vorbesti despre religia ta, nu cea crestina. Fara nici o suparare, dar te asigur ca sunt si crestini care pleaca duminica inaltati spiritual de la biserica, si sunt foarte multi care chiar traiesc crestinismul ca stil de viata. Despre faptul ca evangheliile au aparut la cateva sute de ani dupa Ch poti sa-ti dau cateva explicatii, dar sunt sigura ca nu te intereseaza cu adevarat pentru ca nu facem propaganda, dupa cum spuneai. Iti multumesc pentru mesaj si daca mai ai si alte raspunsuri, te astept. |
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diannette Postat pe 4 Martie 2009 19:42 |
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De la: diannette, la data 2009-03-04 19:42:36Draga Salim, E important sa mi raspunzi la cele cateva intrebari pe care ti le pun ca sa pot intelege ceva despre felul in care vezi lumea, in care gandesti si deci alegi informatiile din noianul de date la dispozitie in timpul nostru. Cumva din alte intrebari pe care le pui fara sa le fi lamurit pe celelalte, decit tentativ, cu citeva exemple clasice, se pare ca esti dintre aceia care se cred deschisi spre dialog si intelegere, traind pasnic si civilazat in tarile lor fericite, dintr o data amenintate, dupa un singur eveniment INCA NECLARIFICAT, de frustrarea misterioasa musulmana. Ei bine, cu voi, care credeti asa, scopul nedeclarat al politici vestice a fost atins. Sinteti formati cu doze bine socotite de amestecuri, larg difuzate in media de toate feluri, in care concepte ca progress, educatie, egalitatea femeilor, realizarii remarcabile sau lipsa lor, inaltare spirituala sau fundamentalism sunt bine pozitionate pt a avea efectul scontat. Asta e ceace s ar putea numi “ Cocoon Psichedelic” si el o realizare “remarcabila” a lumii de azi, care in unele cazuri, din pacate, se intoarce impotriva celor care le locuiesc, la cea mai mica incercare. Am sa iau problemele pe rind dupa numere ca tine si incep cu prima intrebare la care te rog sa mi raspunzi. 1- De ce crezi ca Islamul trebuie discutat iar crestinismul nu?. Doar intrebasesi despre crestini care sunt atrasi spre Islam si nu intelegeai de ce. Vorbind despre problema trebuie sa pornim chiar de aici si sa chestionam si crestinismul si daca mai vrei TOT PE BUCATELE, sa le lamurim. 2- Modelul westic cu care proponentii lui pretindeau chiar ca au ajuns la sfarsitul istoriei, nu e singurul pt noi. Ideile de buna stare, civilizatie, educatie, civilitate, ordine, adevar se bazeaza la noi pe experiente spirituale si istorice diferite intimplate la timpuri diferite fata de Eurocentric concept despre evolutie in istorie. 3- Educatie pt orice fiinta omeneasca trebuie sa insemne ridicarea la un nivel superior de constiinta a celui educat pe baza invatarii, intelegerii si asimilarii unor modele de experiente anterioare, istorice spirituale si materiale ale societatilor in mijlocul carora traieste in primul rind. Educatia oricui nu trebuie sa insemne o ruptura cu identitatea celor care sunt eduacti si adoptarea unui mod strain pe care essential si existential, ei n au motive sa l accepte, cum s a intamplat cu musulmanii acum si cu altii alta data. 4- Civilizatia si progresul pt noi au devenit problematice in secole anterioare, deja, dupa ce un progress material, stiintific, artistic daca e sa ne referim la acest aspect, care tine si el despiritual, oferise lucrurii notabile cum zici, intregii lumi, nu la fel de civilazata ca noi atunci. Baza acestei civilizatei care a adus Europei invatatura profana a antichitatii Greco-Romane, dar mai ales musulmane, continuindu le si elevandu le pe acestea in lumina credintei Islamice in Allah, Unic, Omni present, Creator si Stapin, Unic mostenitor a tot ce exista pe care oameni de stiinta,sociologii,juristii,medicii,istoricii,Musulmani il cautau in cele mai mici detalii ale creatiei, asa cum erau sfatuiti in Quran sa fie observate, experimentate si prin inductie, verificabil transformate in adevaruri. Cercetarea experimentala incepe cu ei dervind din injunctii Quranice indemnand la dezvaltarea observatiei si Gandirii Rationale, iar educatia era un scop in sine care trebuie sa perfecteze pe om si sa l apropie de creator si caile lui pe baza semnelor lasate de el. Pt invatura si barbatii si femeile erau sfatuiti sa nu se lase dati la o parte de nimic si daca e nevoie sa mearga pana in China, atunci teritoriul cel mai indepartat de lumea Islamica. Progresul ca intreaga filozofie islamica tindea sa cuprinda holistic, fara sa fragmenteze lumea cum s a intimplat mai tirziu in stiinta Europeana si sa priveasca fenomenele in complexitatea si iteractiiunea lor. Deci nu putem sa vorbim de progress intr o lume desordonata, in care interese potrivnice maselor, de dominare si exploatare sau eliminare acelor slabi exista. 5- Nimeni nu poate deveni victima cuiva fara contributia lui proprie. Izolarea si atacul asupra modului de viata Islamic s a desfasurat timp indelungat fara taraboi, cu aparente avantaje reciproce, pina elitele musulmane au fost cumparate definitive. In fiecare tara, in functie de interesele negociatorilor efectele par diferite dar in realitate asa zisele tarii bogate si civilizate islamice, deschise cooperative au fost vesternizate mai mult sau mai putin de elitele respective. Masa populatiei careia se interzic practici islamice la care tin si li se recomanda “valori” pe care nu le recunosc, e frustrata oriunde si acolo. 6- Si cu asa zise tari extremiste Islamice se intimpla acelasi lucru care se repeta systematic de cand America s a ridicat ca putere si se asteapta ca nimeni sa nu inteleaga si sa accepte asa zisele lor strategii, avansate in interesul lor national. Asa au inventat teroristi si chiar I au platit sa existe si sa faca havoc oriunde le placea. DE EXEMPLU IN ANI 70 APARUSERA BRIGAZILE ROSII DESPRE CARE AM VAZUT UN FILM LA BBC CA ERAU PURA CREATIE C.I.A, INDIVIZI PLATITI SA DISTRUGA POLITICA PUTERNICA DE STINGA A EUROPEI DE ATUNCI. ERAU ELEMENTE CRIMINALE INSCENAND CU SUCCES EXPLOZII SI RAPIRI ALE UNOR PERSONALITATI POLITICE CA SI ACUM. IN 1979, ALDO MORO, A FOST VICTIMA LOR. Apoi nenumeratele coupuri militare in America Latina, Africa si acum in Lumea Islamica cu mai multa forta au adus razboaie criminale in general impotriva lumii sarace, brutal dati la o parte, eliminate fizic ca sa nu incurce asa numitele jocuri politice ale Americii si aliatilor lor incluzind elitele din tarile respective. In tarile islamice evident urmaresc imputinarea substantiala a populatiei pe care au declarat o din calea afara numeroasa si amenintatoare.Lipsa drepturilor de orice fel, ignoranta si abjecta saraciei au transformat aceste tari in iaduri pamantest cu ajutorul liderilor locali, impusi de west.Lumea din aceste tari a ajuns din cauza westului la un nivel de stress mental psihic si fizic, incredibil din cauza politicii care li se impune. 7- Cine sunt extremistii de fapt?. Sint populatiile din Iraq, Afghanistan si Pakistan, unde sunt vinati asa zisi AL Qaeda, cu numere mari de morti zilnic, distrugeri de infrastructura si scoli mai ales ca musulmanii sa ramana needucati. Criminalii, sint agenti locali sau straini platiti de toate agentiile de spionaj, straine si locale care provoaca toate aceste dezastre in terotorii stravechi ale acestor populatii, care au devenit refugiati in proprile lor tarii sau afara daca s au ferit de moarte. 8- Tarilor musulmane, asa zise extremiste li se reproseaza ca nu fac “destul” ca sa elimine terorismul si ca numai stiu sa se plinga de west,. Exact asa I se spunea acum cinci sute de ani unui conducator arab din Andaluzia, care facuse un “DEAL” cu regii Spaniei sa converteasca sau sa extermine si sa deporteze populatia musulmana in schimbul securitatii lui si a familiei lui. In tarile aacesteia misuna oameni sraini, mercenari vestici multi dintre ei deghizati in localnici, vorbind limbile locale, dindu se drept Taliban sau Al-Qaeda si impunand populatiei locale moderate, prin orori, un brand de religie fabricat in laboratoare de spionaj westice, inca de pe vremea razboiului din Afganistan pe care l au cistigat acesti “Brain Washed” nefericiti Pashtuni cu banii lui”Charlie Wilson” care umpleau cuferele generalilor si ai capilor armatei musulmane pacalite ca trebuie sa lupte impotriva celor fara Dumnezeu. Povestea e lunga si complicata iar legaturile ei istorice sunt prea multe si puternice ca cele doua lumi sa poata ajunge la intelegere reala fara concesii si fara compromisiuri care sa distruga constiinte si vieti. 9- Despre educatia femeilor, am pomenit deja ca in Quarn nu se face distinctie intre femei si barbati cand e vorba de educatie sau orice activitate din care omul in general are de cistigat. Sussele tale de unde ai aflat ca femeile n au voie sa fie educate in Islam, te au mintit. Se refereau probabil la citeva cazuri rare din zone mai inapoiate economic cum exista oriunde in lume si unde saracia le impiedica mai de graba sa invete decit alte restrictii de care noi n am auzit. EXCESELE SI EXTREMELE IN COMPORTAMENTUL UNOR INDIVIZI MUSULMANI, VINATE SI IMPRASTIATE DE PRESA VESTICA, IN URA LOR NEBUNA, NU SUNT NORME CI MANIFESTARI ALE UNOR TEMPERAMENTE SPECIALE CUM EXISTA ORIUNDE DAR NU SE FACE PROPAGANDA DIN ELE. ISLAMUL TREBUIE PRIVIT MAI ALES DINNAUNTRU. DEFECTELE PERSONALE ALE UNORI MUSULMANI SINT LEGATE MALITIOS CUM NU SE INTAMPLA NICAIERI CU ALTE RELIGII SI CREDINCOSII LOR. 10- U.A.E, apreciate in vest pt progress si buna stare, sint antreprenori si investori in afacerile westice de Real Estate cu toate facilitatile legate de ele pe care nici o religie nu le apreciaza, de exemplu Casinos, Night Clubs, Baruri, Disco, servicii de Call Gils etc. Noi nu sintem impresionati de astfel de activitati si nu le consideram notabile. 11- Arhitectura Islamica din care exista pana azi vestigii renumite si numeroase urmarea recrearea Edenului. Arhitectura vestica incepand cu Goticul sunt provocari la adresa cerului si pamantului care pt noi n au valoare estetica. |
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Aisha's Age of Consummation - - - - - Many critics of Islam claim Muhammad's relationship with Aisha was a pedophile relationship and therefore Muhammad was a pedophile. In psychiatry the most commonly used diagnostic criteria for diagnosing psychiatric ailments are those from the DSM of which version DSM-IV-TR is the latest version. The DSM classification is a system and classifies and defines all accepted psychiatric ailments and symptoms, with their inclusion and exclusion criteria. The following are the inclusion and exclusion criteria for pedophilia: Diagnostic criteria for 302.2 Pedophilia from DSM-IV-TR[1] * A. Over a period of at least six months, recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children (generally age 13 years or younger). * B. The person has acted on these sexual urges, or the sexual urges or fantasies caused marked distress or interpersonal difficulty. * C. The person is at least age 16 years and at least 5 years older than the child or children in Criterion A. Note: Do not include an individual in late adolescence involved in an ongoing sexual relationship with a 12- or 13-year-old. In the following article it will be shown Muhammad's relation with Aisha does indeed meet all the criteria to make the diagnosis of pedophilia and therefore Muhammad was a pedophile. Contents * 1 Aisha was pre-pubescent when Muhammad married and had sex with her o 1.1 Only pre-pubescent girls were allowed to play with dolls o 1.2 Aisha was pre-pubescent when Muhammad consummated the marriage o 1.3 Sunan Abu Dawud o 1.4 Summary * 2 Pedophilia according to DSM-IV-TR * 3 Conclusion * 4 See also * 5 References * 6 Other versions of this issue * 7 External Links * 8 Linking to this article Aisha was pre-pubescent when Muhammad married and had sex with her Islamists like to claim that Aisha had reached puberty by the time Muhammad married and had sex with her. However, they never provide verifiable proof that Aisha actually was pubescent when Muhammad married and had sex with her, but commonly claim traditions or cultural practices as proof. This is, of course, false as demonstrated by the hadiths and the commentary of one of Islam’s most famous hadith scholars, Imam Al-Hafiz Ibn Hajar Al-'Asqalani, Commander of the Faithful in Hadith, Qadi of Egypt, and author of the celebrated commentary on Sahih Bukhari, Fateh al-Bari. To prove Aisha was pre-pubescent when Muhammad married and had sex with her, one has to understand Ibn Hajar’s explanation of the permissibility of doll-playing for pre-pubescent girls. Then applying this doll-playing exegesis to hadiths of Aisha getting married or when she first had sex with Muhammad, one can then demonstrate that she was pre-pubescent on these occasions. Only pre-pubescent girls were allowed to play with dolls This is what the great hadith scholar, Shaykh al-Islam Imam Al-Hafiz Ibn Hajar Al-'Asqalani, Commander of the Faithful in Hadith, Qadi of Egypt, said regarding doll-playing and little girls: Narrated 'Aisha: I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah's Apostle used to enter they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for 'Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13) Sahih Bukhari 8:73:151 How do we know that Ibn Hajar made the doll-playing exegesis: “The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for 'Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty”? Because of the reference to Fateh-al-Bari and because when we look at other translations of Bukhari 8:151, the same message is conveyed. Alternative translation 1: On the authority of Aisha (RA), who said: I used to play with dolls in the presence of the Prophet (SAW). And I had girl-friends (playmates) who played along with me. They would hide (feeling shy) from him (SAW) whenever he entered. But, he (SAW) would send for them to join me and they would play with me. (Sahih Bukhari & Muslim) http://www.themuslimwoman.com/beware/GirlsPlayingDolls.htm [The translator then provides some discussion about translations of various versions of this hadith before he follows up with Ibn Hajar and Fath-al-Bari] Al-Haafidh Ibn Hajar said in Fath al-Baaree (Fath al-Baaree, no. 6130, Kitaab: al-Adab, Baab: al-Inbisaat ilaa an-Naas): This Hadith has been used as a proof for the permissibility of possessing (suwar - of) dolls and toys for the purpose of the little girls playing with them. This has been especially exempted from the general prohibition of possession of images (suwar). Alternative translation 2: But if these images and dolls are toys for children, the Sunnah indicates that they are permissible. In al-Saheehayn it is narrated that ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) said: “I used to play with dolls in the presence of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and I had female friends who would play with me…” al-Bukhaari, 6130; Muslim, 2440. Ibn Hajar said: This hadeeth indicates that it is permissible to have images of girls (i.e., dolls) and toys for girls to play with. This is an exception from the general meaning of the prohibition on having images. This was stated by ‘Iyaad and was narrated from the majority. They permitted the sale of dolls to girls so as to teach them from a young age how to take care of their homes and children. Ibn Hibbaan stated that it is permissible for young girls to play with toys… Source Alternative translation 3: Aaishah said, “I used to play with dolls in the presence of the Prophet (pbuh), and my girlfriends used to play along with me. Whenever, Allaah's Messenger (pbuh) would enter, they would hide from him. So he called them to play with me.” In the classical commentary on Saheeh al-Bukhaare entitled Fat-h al-Baaree, Ibn Hajar al-'Asqalaanee wrote the following: “This hadeeth is used as evidence for the permissibility of making dolls and toys with human and animal forms for the purpose of girls playing with them. This category has been specifically excluded from the general prohibition against making images. ‘Iyaad stated this to be categorically so and related that it was the position of the majority of scholars. He further related that they permitted the selling of toys for girls in order to train them from their youth in their household affairs and in dealing with their children…” http://www.bilalphilips.com/books/eemaan/eemaan05.htm Note the great similarity in the commentaries of Ibn Hajar in Fateh al-Bari all four versions of the hadith. The words are different because of the different translators but the essential message is unchanged – only little girls (i.e. before puberty) are permitted to play with dolls. How do we know that little girls are pre-pubescent? Because Islamic customs and laws specifically state so. For example: Girls reach puberty and adulthood when they experience the above three signs. However, they have a fourth sign, that is, menstruation (hayd). Whenever a girl experiences it, she is a woman even if she is 12 years old. http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/pillars/fasting/tajuddin/fast_21.html http://www.alinaam.org.za/social/myaaisha.htm http://www.lightuponlight.com/islam/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=151 Islam And the Age of Puberty Islam clearly teaches that adulthood starts when a person have attained puberty. These Islamic websites provide the evidence that in Islam, when a girl reaches puberty, she ceases to be a girl and becomes a woman. Therefore, little girls must be pre-pubescent according to Islamic customs and laws. We also have commentaries by hadith scholars that reinforce this point: Al-Qaadee 'Iyaad has stated this position with definiteness, and transmitted it as the position of the Majority (Jumhoor) of the Scholars; and that they declared permissible the selling of toys/dolls (al-lu'ab) for little girls, to train them from childhood for the household responsibilities and child-rearing. Al-Khattaabee said: … it is understood that playing with dolls (al-banaat) is not like the amusement from other images (suwar) concerning which the threat (wa'eed) of punishment is mentioned. The only reason why permission in this was given to Aisha (RA) is because she had not, at that time, reached the age of puberty. Little Girls Playing With Dolls … Abu 'Ubaid, who said: We don't see there being any reason for that (permission to play with her dolls), except due to the fact that these toys are a source of amusement (lahw) for the children. So, if they were owned by adults, it would definitely have been detestable (makhrooh). Possession of Dolls By Little Girls [edit] Aisha was pre-pubescent when Muhammad consummated the marriage “My mother came to me while I was being swung on a swing between two branches and got me down. My nurse took over and wiped my face with some water and started leading me. When I was at the door she stopped so I could catch my breath. I was brought in while Muhammad was sitting on a bed in our house. My mother made me sit on his lap. The other men and women got up and left. The Prophet consummated his marriage with me in my house when I was nine years old. Neither a camel nor a sheep was slaughtered on behalf of me.” Tabari IX:131 This hadith suggests that Muhammad had sex with Aisha in her house on her wedding day. However, was this event really on her wedding day? This is proven by the Sahih Bukhari hadith below. Note the similarity in accounts, although the Bukhari 5:234 hadith is more expansive on the fact that the events took place on Aisha’s wedding day. Narrated Aisha: "The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Alright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age. Sahih Bukhari 5:58:234 'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and he was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old. Sahih Muslim 8:3311 Note that Sahih Muslim says that Aisha still had her dolls with her when she was taken to Muhammad’s house as a bride. Applying Ibn Hajar’s doll-playing exegesis from Part 1, it becomes clear that Aisha was pre-pubescent when she became a bride. Therefore, it is abundantly clear from the hadiths that Aisha was pre-pubescent when Muhammad first had sex with her on her wedding day. [edit] Sunan Abu Dawud Aisha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: "Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old." - Sahih Muslim 8:3310 This proof is slightly controversial because not every Muslim accepts the hadiths of Sunan Abu Dawud to be sahih (authentic). However, Sunan Abu Dawud is still the third most respected collection of hadiths, and the relevant Abu Dawud hadith used here is considered sahih by some of the most authoritative hadith scholars, including Shaykh Abdul Azeez al-Qaari' (Imaam of Masjid Qubaa and professor of tafseer and Quranic recitation at the Islamic University of Madeenah). From Abu Dawud, Vol. 2, #2116: "Aisha said, "The Apostle of Allah married me when I was seven years old." (The narrator Sulaiman said: "Or six years."). "He had intercourse with me when I was 9 years old." Here we see that Muhammad has sex with Aisha when she was 9 years old. Is this age confirmed by other hadiths? Yes. Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 236. Narrated Hisham's father: Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed (sic – consummated) that marriage when she was nine years old. Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64 Narrated 'Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death). Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 65 Narrated 'Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that 'Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death)." what you know of the Quran (by heart)' Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88 Narrated 'Ursa: The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death). Sunan Abu-Dawud Book 41, Number 4915, also Number 4915 and Number 4915 Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin: The Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) married me when I was seven or six. When we came to Medina, some women came. according to Bishr's version: Umm Ruman came to me when I was swinging. They took me, made me prepared and decorated me. I was then brought to the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him), and he took up cohabitation with me when I was nine. She halted me at the door, and I burst into laughter. Islamists will insist that the term 'consummate the marriage' means 'nikah', not sex. This is despite the Abu Dawud hadith Vol. 2, #2116 translation that explicits states 'intercourse'. Be that as it may, does 'consummate the marriage' mean sex? Here is proof that it does. http://www.exmuslim.com/com/evidence.htm There has been some confusion about the definition of the word "consummate". In Sahih Bukhari, vol. 7, #64, the root word used is "dakhala". From the Hans-Wehr Arabic-English Dictionary p273, it means "to enter, to pierce, to penetrate, to consummate the marriage, cohabit, sleep with a woman". But how do we know that at the age of nine Aisha was still pre-pubescent? Here is the evidence from Sunan Abu Dawood, Vol. 3, #4914 (This hadith is also repeated in Sunan Nasa’i): http://www.themuslimwoman.com/beware/PossessionofDolls.htm Possession of Dolls By Little Girls On the authority of Aisha (RA), that she said: The Messenger of Allah (SAW) returned from the battle of Tabook or Khaibar (the narrator of the hadith was in doubt about whether he was told "Tabook or Khaibar."). There was a curtain covering her 'sahwah' (chamber or small room in front of the house). The wind blew a side of the curtain and uncovered Aisha's dolls. He (SAW) said: What is this, O Aisha? She said: My dolls. The he (SAW) saw amongst them a horse with two wings from scraps of cloth. He (SAW) said: What is this which I see amongst them (amongst the dolls)? She said: A horse. He asked: What is upon it? She said: Two wings. He (SAW) asked (in astonishment): A horse with two wings? She said: Didn't you hear that Sulaiman (Solomon - AS) had horses with wings? She said: Then he (SAW) laughed until I saw his molar teeth. [Abu Daawood, An-Nasaa'iee as-Sunan al-Kubraa, Albani (ra) says the chain of narrators of an-Nasaa'ee is authentic (Saheeh). As for the chain of narrators of Abu Daawood, Albani (ra) has also declared it to be authentic (saheeh)] Shaykh Muhammad Shams al-Haqq al-'Adheem Aabaadee, in his Sharh (explanation) of Sunan Abu Daawood, says: This hadith and the one before it (Hadith #20) is used as an evidence of permissibility of possession of dolls and toys for the purpose of little girls playing with them. This (permission) is a special exception from the general prohibition of possession of images (suwar). This position has been stated with certainty by al-Qaadee 'Iyaad, and he has quoted it as the opinion of the Jumhoor (Majority of Scholars). He also said that the Jumhoor has allowed the sale of toys (dolls) for little girls, in order to train and prepare them from childhood for their household affairs and the raising of their children. According to the generally accepted tradition, Aisha was born about eight years before Hijrah. The battle of Khaibar took place in Muharram-Safar 7 AH. The siege of Tabuk took place in Rajab 9 AH. Therefore, to be generous, I accept the Khaibar explanation and not the later, Tabuk explanation. It is generally accepted that Aisha was betrothed to Muhammad at the age of 6 in the year 3 BH. This is confirmed by reports that the marriage was consummated in Shawwal, which came seven months after the Prophet's hijra from Makkah to al-Medinah. So the Abu Dawood hadith says that Aisha was still playing with dolls at least as late as 7 AH. That is 6-7 years after her marriage. Using the doll-playing exegesis of Ibn Hajar, Abu Ubaid, al-Qaadee 'Iyaad, and Shaykh Muhammad Shams al-Haqq, Aisha did not reach puberty until at least 6-7 years after her marriage when she would have been about 15-16 years old, but lets say 14 years old to be generous. Note that some Islamists will try to say that this hadith is not sahih. They will use this translation of the same hadith and point out the phrase (the narrator is doubtful): Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin: When the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) arrived after the expedition to Tabuk or Khaybar (the narrator is doubtful), the draught raised an end of a curtain which was hung in front of her store-room, revealing some dolls which belonged to her. He asked: What is this? She replied: My dolls. Among them he saw a horse with wings made of rags, and asked: What is this I see among them? She replied: A horse. He asked: What is this that it has on it? She replied: Two wings. He asked: A horse with two wings? She replied: Have you not heard that Solomon had horses with wings? She said: Thereupon the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) laughed so heartily that I could see his molar teeth. [Sunan Abu Dawood, Vol. 3, #4914] The evidence that this hadith is sahih, and that the phrase (the narrator is doubtful) does not mean that the hadith is doubtful but that the narrator was doubtful about being told it was Khaybar or Tabuk, are as follows: 1. Various versions of the hadith include confirmation that it is sahih/authenticated/authentic, including one that refers to Sahih Abu Dawud (a collection of Abu Dawud hadiths that are deemed sahih): A. http://www.themuslimwoman.com/beware/PossessionofDolls.htm On the authority of Aisha (RA), that she said: The Messenger of Allah (SAW) returned from the battle of Tabook or Khaibar (the narrator of the hadith was in doubt about whether he was told "Tabook or Khaibar."). There was a curtain covering her 'sahwah' (chamber or small room in front of the house). The wind blew a side of the curtain and uncovered Aisha's dolls. He (SAW) said: What is this, O Aisha? She said: My dolls. The he (SAW) saw amongst them a horse with two wings from scraps of cloth. He (SAW) said: What is this which I see amongst them (amongst the dolls)? She said: A horse. He asked: What is upon it? She said: Two wings. He (SAW) asked (in astonishment): A horse with two wings? She said: Didn't you hear that Sulaiman (Solomon - AS) had horses with wings? She said: Then he (SAW) laughed until I saw his molar teeth. [Abu Daawood, An-Nasaa'iee as-Sunan al-Kubraa, Albani (ra) says the chain of narrators of an-Nasaa'ee is authentic (Saheeh). As for the chain of narrators of Abu Daawood, Albani (ra) has also declared it to be authentic (saheeh)] B. http://www.bilalphilips.com/books/eemaan/eemaan05.htm Aboo Daawood and an-Nasaa’ee collected this hadeeth in another chain from Aaishah in which she said, “When Allaah’s Messenger (pbuh) arrived after the expedition to Tabuk or Khaybar, the wind raised an end of a curtain which hung in front of my closet, revealing some dolls which belonged to me. He asked me, ‘What is this?’ I replied: My dolls. He saw among them a horse made of wrapped cloth with wings, and asked, ‘What is this I am seeing among them?’ I replied: A horse. He asked, ‘A horse with wings?’ I replied: Have you not heard that Solomon had horses with wings? Allaah's Messenger (pbuh) laughed so heartily that I could see his molar teeth.”5 This hadeeth is very clear that the meaning of playthings (lu‘ab) mentioned in the earlier narration does not refer to humans. 5 Sunan Abu Dawud, vol. 3, p. 1373, no.4914 and authenticated in Saheeh Sunan Abee Daawood, vol. 3, p. 932, no. 4123. C. http://members.tripod.com/ahya/eng/home.html On the authority of Aa'ishah (radiyallahu anha), who said: 'The Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wasallam) returned from the battle of Tabook or it was Khaybar. There was a curtain over my room. The wind blew, lifting the curtain and exposing a part of my room in which, Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wasallam) saw some dolls with which Aa'ishah (radhi allahu anhu) used to play. He said: “What is this O Aa'ishah?” She replied 'my daughters (Arabs used to call dolls, daughters). He saw among them a horse with two wings made out of a piece of cloth. He said: “What is this?” She replied: 'A horse' He said: “and what are those on the horses?” She replied: 'Two wings' He said: “A horse with two wings?!” Aa'ishah said: 'The Prophet laughed until I could see his molar teeth.' [Authentic - Abo Dawood An Nisa'ee in Al-Ishrah] Not only is the chain of narrators authentic according to Albani - but two other Islamic sources say 'authentic or authenticated.' 2. The version from the themuslimwoman.com site says that, “the narrator of the hadith was in doubt about whether he was told "Tabook or Khaibar”. That is, not in doubt about the hadith. 3. Alternative translations do not carry the word ‘doubt’ http://www.islamicdawah.mobilixnet.dk/islam/Women/obligation_of_man.htm Also on the authority of Aisha who said: “The Prophet (saw) returned from the battle of Tabuk, or it was Khaybar. There was a curtain over her room. The wind blew, lifting the curtain and exposing part of the room in which the Prophet (saw) saw some dolls with which Aisha used to play. He said, “What is this, O Aisha?” She said: “My daughters.” (Arabs used to call dolls for “daughters”) He saw among them a horse with two wings made of pieces of cloth. He said “And what is this in the middle?” She said, “A horse.” He said, “and what are those on the horse?” She said: “Two wings.” He said, ”A horse with two wings?!” Aisha said: “The Prophet (saw) laughed until I could see his molar teeth” (Abu Daawood, an-Nasaa’ee). http://members.tripod.com/ahya/eng/home.html On the authority of Aa'ishah (radiyallahu anha), who said: 'The Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wasallam) returned from the battle of Tabook or it was Khaybar. There was a curtain over my room. The wind blew, lifting the curtain and exposing a part of my room in which, Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wasallam) saw some dolls with which Aa'ishah (radhi allahu anhu) used to play. He said: “What is this O Aa'ishah?” She replied 'my daughters (Arabs used to call dolls, daughters). He saw among them a horse with two wings made out of a piece of cloth. He said: “What is this?” She replied: 'A horse' He said: “and what are those on the horses?” She replied: 'Two wings' He said: “A horse with two wings?!” Aa'ishah said: 'The Prophet laughed until I could see his molar teeth.' [Authentic - Abo Dawood An Nisa'ee in Al-Ishrah] 4. Authoritative Islamic scholars still use this hadith in their judgment of Islamic laws and customs http://www.bilalphilips.com/books/eemaan/eemaan05a.htm Shaykh Abdul Azeez al-Qaari' (Imaam of Masjid Qubaa and professor of tafseer and Quranic recitation at the Islamic University of Madeenah) had this to say about image-making in al-Usrah: “Regarding the hadeeth of Aaishah that she played with dolls in the presence of the Prophet (pbuh), and, in some versions of the hadeeth, that one of the dolls was in the shape of a winged horse, and that when the Prophet (pbuh) asked her about it, she replied, ‘Didn't you hear that [Prophet] Sulayman had a horse with wings?’ to which the Prophet (pbuh) responded by laughing; this hadeeth indicates the permissibility of children’s figurative toys, owning them and using them, whether they are clearly representative or not, and whether skillfully or crudely fashioned. There is no basis in the hadeeth for making a distinction. Those who say that Aaishah's dolls were not distinctly representative have made an arbitrary judgement not based on any evidence. What do they say about a winged horse?” How can Islamists claim that the Imam of Masjid Qubaa and professor of tafseer and Quranic recitation at the Islamic University of Madeenah uses a hadith that is not sahih to pronounce on the permissibility of doll-playing among Saudi Arabian children? For by doing so, even Shaykh Abdul Azeez al-Qaari' of Saudi Arabia seems to accept that this hadith is sahih. If using a weak hadith a scholar has to warn the reader about its weakness. http://www.islamonline.net/fatwa/eng...FatwaID=105213 “Generally, in Islamic law, only the authentic (sahih) and good (hasan) hadiths are used in deriving the rules. The weak (da`if) hadiths have no value for the purpose of Shari`ah. However, the scholars of hadith sometimes differ among themselves in the determination of whether some Hadiths are weak or not. The scholars have sometimes used weak hadiths for moral and spiritual (fada'il) matters. It is important that when one uses a weak hadith for any reason, one should explain it to the people that this is weak hadith and that it is being used for this particular reason." It is clear from the article that Shaykh Abdul Azeez al-Qaari' (Imaam of Masjid Qubaa and professor of tafseer and Quranic recitation at the Islamic University of Madeenah) didn't say anything about Abu Dawud 4914 being weak - thus it cannot be weak. Also look at what the reference says at the end of the article: Sunan Abu Dawud, vol. 3, p. 1373, no.4914 and authenticated in Saheeh Sunan Abee Daawood, vol. 3, p. 932, no. 4123 [edit] Summary In Part 1, it was proved that in Islam, doll-playing girls are pre-pubescent according to the doll-playing exegesis of Ibn Hajar and Islamic laws and customs. In Part 2, it was proved that using Ibn Hajar’s doll-playing exegesis, Aisha can be proven to be still pre-pubescent when she married and had sex with Muhammad. In Part 3, it was proved that Aisha was still pre-pubescent as late as 6-7 years after her marriage to Muhammad. [edit] Pedophilia according to DSM-IV-TR Even according to the most stringent clinical definition of pedophilia, DSM-IV-TR, Muhammad would be defined as a pedophile. Note that there are other generally accepted definitions of pedophilia that do not confine the definition to pre-pubertal children or require fantasies, sexual urges or behaviors over a certain period of time. However, for the sake of this discussion the argument will be confined to DSM-IV-TR. Diagnostic criteria for 302.2 Pedophilia 1. Over a period of at least six months, recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children (generally age 13 years or younger). 2. The person has acted on these sexual urges, or the sexual urges or fantasies caused marked distress or interpersonal difficulty. 3. The person is at least age 16 years and at least 5 years older than the child or children in Criterion A. Note: Do not include an individual in late adolescence involved in an ongoing sexual relationship with a 12- or 13-year-old. A reference to the various aspects, implications, and criteria of paedophilia: "According to the DSM-IV definition, pedophilia involves sexual activity by an adult with a prepubescent child. Some individuals prefer females, usually 8- to 10-year-olds. Those attracted to males usually prefers slightly older children. Some prefer both sexes. While some are sexually attracted only to children, others also are sometimes attracted to adults. Pedophiliac activity may involve undressing and looking at the child or more direct physical sex acts. All these activities are psychologically harmful to the child, and some may be physically harmful. In addition, individuals with pedophilia often go to great lengths to obtain photos, films or pornographic publications that focus on sex with children. These individuals commonly explain their activities with excuses or rationalizations that the activities have "educational value" for the child, that the child feels "sexual pleasure" from the activities or that the child was "sexually provocative." However, child psychiatrists and other child development experts maintain that children are incapable of offering informed consent to sex with an adult. Furthermore, since pedophiliac acts harm the child, psychiatrists condemn publications or organizations that seek to promote or normalize sex between adults and children." http://www.medem.com/medlb/article_detaillb.cfm?article_ID=ZZZUZRUZGLC&sub_cat=355 [edit] Conclusion Does Muhammad meet all these criteria? 1. Yes - Muhammad had sexual relations with a pre-pubescent girl for a prolonged period – likely to be at least 6-7 years. 2. Yes - Muhammad had acted on his sexual urges – as demonstrated by Tabari IX:131 and various Bukhari hadiths (stating consummation at age nine when it has been established that Aisha didn’t reach puberty until she was at least 14 years old). 3. Yes - Muhammad was 54 years old when Aisha was only 9 years old when they first had sex. Therefore, even according to the strict clinical definition of DSM-IV-TR it can be proven that Muhammad was a pedophile. |
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Kathara Postat pe 5 Martie 2009 19:22 |
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| ^ Din care rezulta ca Mohamed a fost un pedofil jegos, care merita sa putrezeasca intr-o puscarie si sa fie violat in fiecare seara in grup. | ||
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Kathara Postat pe 5 Martie 2009 19:23 |
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Asa credeam si eu, ca multe din aspectele acestui conflict sunt false si artificial create. Legat de femei, inteleg ca nici un stat nu interzice prin lege accesul la invatamant, ceea ce este un lucru care ma bucura si despre care intr-adevar, se pare ca aveam informatii eronate. Imi pare rau ca exista asa multe obstacole pe care le intampinati. Ai spus la un moment dat ca ajungerea la o intelegere reala intre cele doua lumi nu se poate face fara mari compromisuri sau chiar sacrificii care ar distruge constiinte si vieti. Poate ca nu se va ajunge niciodata la o intelegere reala... dar ceea ce sper eu ca vom reusi sa invatam este toleranta. Si ca sa-ti raspund la intrebare, nu am considerat ca discutia despre crestinism era relevanta in acest context. Cred ca am fost interpretata gresit sau m-am exprimat gresit, dar puntctele mele de interes erau indreptate spre musulmani, lucruri la care de altfel mi-ai si raspuns in detaliu. Chiar nu am vrut sa ma iau de nimeni, dar am dat peste unele afirmatii care nu aveau legatura cu realitatea, despre femeia in conceptia crestina. Cam atat. Inca o data, iti multumesc pentru raspunsuri si pentru timpul acordat. Ciao. |
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diannette Postat pe 5 Martie 2009 21:36 |
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Valul Islamic Virtutile hidjabului Hidjabul(valul islamic) este in primul rand un act de supunere fata de Allah,Creatorul universului,al oamenilor si a tot ceea ce exista si fata de Trimisul Lui Muhammad pacea fie asupra lui. Allah Preainaltul spune in Quran 33:36: "Nu se cuvine ca un dreptcredincios si nici o dreptcredincioasa sa mai aleaga,daca Allah si Trimisul Sau au hotarat in rpivinta lor un lucru.Iar acela care se razvrateste impotriva lui Allah si a Trimisului Sau sa afla in ratacire invederata." Allah a ordonat femeilor musulmane,credincioase sa poarte val.Nimeni nu stie ce este mai bine pentru oameni in afara Creatorului lor,Allah. Allah le-a spus musulmanilor,si musulmanelor in sura an Nur(sura Luminii)24:30,31: "34.Spune dreptcredinciosilor sa-si plece privirile lor si sa-si pazeasca rusinea lor!Aceasta este mai curat pentru ei.Allah,doara,este Binestiutor[Khabir]a ceea ce fac ei. 35.Si spune dreptcredincioaselor sa-si plece privirile lor si sa-si pazeasca rusinea lor,sa nu-si arate gatelile lor,afara de ceea ce este pe dinafara,si sa-si coboare valurile peste piepturile lor!Si sa nu-si arate frumusetea lor decat inaintea sotilor,sau a parintilor lor,sau a parintilor sotilor lor,sau a fiilor lor,sau a fiilor sotilor lor,sau a fratilor lor,sau a fiilor fratilor lor,sau a fiilor surorilor lor,sau a muierilor lor,sau a acelora pe care le stapanesc mainile lor drepte,sau a slujitorilor dintre barbati,care nu mai au dorinta,sau a copiilor mici care nu stiu ce este goliciunea femeilor.Si sa nu loveasca cu picioarele lor,astfel incat sa se afle ce podoabe ascund ele!Si caiti-va cu totii,o,voi,dreptcredinciosilor,fata de Allah,pentru ca voi sa izbanditi!" Dumnezeu Cel Preaslavit si Preainalt considera etalarea ostentativa a femeilor ca un act de ignoranta,asa cum a spus in sura al ahzab(33): "33:33Sedeti in casele voastre si nu va aratati[in mod ostentativ],asa cum se aratau in vreamea Jahiliyei(PERIOADA IGNORANTEI ,de dinaintea revelarii Quran'ului pentru poporul arab si nu numai) de mai inainte!.." De asemenea,foarte important si relevant pentru explicatia valului islamic,Allah spune in sura al ahzab(33) "59.O,Profetule!Spune sotelor tale si copilelor tale si muierilor dreptcredinciosilor sa se inveleasca in jilbaburile lor,caci ASTFEL VA FI MAI LESNE SA FIE CUNOSCUTE SI SA NU LI SE PRICINUIASCA NECAZURI!.." Nu este necunoscut nimanui felul in care femeile sunt tratate in societatea noastra,romana,si nu numai,in societatea europeana in general.Pe strada,la servici,in mijloacele de transport in comun..femeile sunt molestate,agresate,nerespectate de diversi barbati fara bun simt..tarabele sunt pline de reviste ..cu femei dezbracate,acele femei sunt la randul lor mame,sotii,fiice,surori ..insa barbatii se ingramadesc sa le "citeasca","rasfoiasca"etcfara a se gandi ca in locul lor ar putea fi propria sotie,fiica,sora..in saloanele auto langa masinile de lux gasim femei in mini-costume de baie... De ce se intampla acest lucru?merita sa ne intrebam,nu credeti?Raspunsul incepe sa ne apara in minte,cand ne gandim la SCOPUL PENTRU CARE AM FOST CREATI.AM FOST CREATI PENTRU A-L VENERA PE ALLAH SINGUR,PE DUMNEZEU FARA ASOCIATI,detaliile modului in care putem sa facem acest lucru le gasim ..in islam.In islam putem afla cum femeile si barbatii isi pot pastra demnitatea,onoarea si moralitatea.Adorarea lui Allah se manifesta prin urmarea codului Lui de legi.Allah ne comanda modurile in care putem evita drumul care duce la un fel de viata animalic,primitiv.Valul femeilor este una dintre legile lui Allah.VALUL ESTE ONOARE SI PROTECTIE PENTRU FEMEI,SI ..LIBERTATEA CORPULUI EI DE MAINILE SI PRIVIRILE AGRESORILOR,VIOLATORILOR.. |
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_dulcik_ Postat pe 5 Martie 2009 21:53 |
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| Ma intreb, oare, barbatii de ce nu sunt si ei onorati? | ||
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Kathara Postat pe 5 Martie 2009 22:40 |
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De la: diannette, la data 2009-03-05 21:36:27Asa credeam si eu, ca multe din aspectele acestui conflict sunt false si artificial create. Legat de femei, inteleg ca nici un stat nu interzice prin lege accesul la invatamant, ceea ce este un lucru care ma bucura si despre care intr-adevar, se pare ca aveam informatii eronate. Nu, dar in unele state arabe femeile nu au voie sa conduca. Iar in altele, cele care se duc la scola sunt omorate sau li se arunca acid in fata. |
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Kathara Postat pe 5 Martie 2009 22:42 |
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| Ce naiba nu posteaza raspunsul ? | ||
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ocs Postat pe 6 Martie 2009 13:28 |
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Dati-i incolo de inapoiati !! Ma intreb cum de nu se revolta toate femeile acelea ca doar nu le-or omori pe toate...au si ei nevoie de femei...chiar mai multe la unul ! De ce nu le lasa la scoala ? pentru ca se vor "trezi" si vor vrea sa scape de sclavie ? Eu cred ca oricum se va intampla asta...fundamentalistii ar trebui eliminati...si nu doar cei musulmani sunt si de alte religii.... Ce-ar fi sa "scoata" cineva o religie cu mai multi barbati la una ? Doar o femeie poate satisface 50 de barbati intr-o noapte pe cand un tip e fff potent daca se descurca bine cu doua... |
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ocs Postat pe 6 Martie 2009 13:34 |
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 in primul rand te felicit ,eu sunt avocat si am trait 13 ani in asia ,si eu sunt musulman ,desi in europa felul de a gandi nu dupa religia musulmasa ci ce au facut unii"f mari greseli "se judeca .imi place mult ca esti pozitiva si mergi in continuare asa.ALLAH EMANET
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anne_maggy Postat pe 6 Martie 2009 16:17 |
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