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I am sure they are miscrosoft. Deci, cum ramane cu citatele din Coran pe care ti le-am oferit si care instiga la omor? Sa nu-mi zici ca e tot manipulare, dim moment ce se gasesc clar in "cartea sfanta". Sa ti le mai citez o data? |
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Kathara Postat pe 10 Martie 2009 12:03 |
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De la: Kathara, la data 2009-03-10 12:03:42I am sure they are miscrosoft. Multumeste te cu ce iti trimit. Am multe de facut. Tu vad ca n ai alta treaba. Esti somera sau ce e cu tine. Jesus said: "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword." (Matthew, 10:34) Jesus said: "And he that hath no sword let him sell his garment, and buy one." (Luke, 22:36) |
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salimgandapur Postat pe 10 Martie 2009 12:29 |
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Asta e modul subtil al musulmanilor de a spune ca nu are argumente. Sabia aia la care se referea Iisus era metaforica, asta se vede din contextul intregului Nou Testament. E o metafora a ruperii de legile vechi. Cat priveste timpul meu liber ... o stii pe aia cu cainele care moare de drum lung? |
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Kathara Postat pe 10 Martie 2009 13:03 |
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Allah a ordonat femeilor musulmane,credincioase sa poarte val.Nimeni nu stie ce este mai bine pentru oameni in afara Creatorului lor,Allah. Dumnezeu Cel Preaslavit si Preainalt considera etalarea ostentativa a femeilor ca un act de ignoranta,asa cum a spus in sura al ahzab(33): Nu este necunoscut nimanui felul in care femeile sunt tratate in societatea noastra,romana,si nu numai,in societatea europeana in general.Pe strada,la servici,in mijloacele de transport in comun..femeile sunt molestate,agresate,nerespectate de diversi barbati fara bun simt..tarabele sunt pline de reviste ..cu femei dezbracate,acele femei sunt la randul lor mame,sotii,fiice,surori ..insa barbatii se ingramadesc sa le "citeasca","rasfoiasca"etcfara a se gandi ca in locul lor ar putea fi propria sotie,fiica,sora..in saloanele auto langa masinile de lux gasim femei in mini-costume de baie... |
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_dulcik_ Postat pe 10 Martie 2009 18:33 |
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De la: _dulcik_, la data 2009-03-10 18:33:47Allah a ordonat femeilor musulmane,credincioase sa poarte val.Nimeni nu stie ce este mai bine pentru oameni in afara Creatorului lor,Allah. Si cu toate astea tu ai avatarul pe care-l ai ... hm ... |
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Kathara Postat pe 10 Martie 2009 20:25 |
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De la: Kathara, la data 2009-03-09 23:21:34Nu trebuie sa te cunosc in viata reala ca sa stiu ca esti proasta, modul tau de a gandi si logica deficitara sunt suficiente pentru a-mi forma o parere pertinenta. sincer nici nu as vrea sa te cunosc in viata reala cred ca as murii de ras........ esti o terminata anyway......te crezi desteapta dar mai ai de mancat mult...... crezi k daca ai citit cateva carti la viata ta si freci menta pe la Academie....aaa ...si cel mai important ai scris DEX-ul  ..sa nu uitam asta......esti super tare.......la valoarea ta sa nu stii cum face oaia ..in puii mei fata ......ne am prins ca ai ramas cu traume de pe urma unui musulman ....but go on girl....life is pink hai k deja ma plictisesti.teribil ...chiar devii enervanta......ai si tu prieteni cu care iesi?? sau tot asa nesuferita esti in viata reala ?? insipiri mila ......hai la revedere!!! |
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myeyes Postat pe 10 Martie 2009 21:26 |
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Asa e, m-a traumatizat o hoarda de musulmani. Ce simplu ar fi .. din pacate pentru tine unele femei sunt mai complexe decat atat. Banuiesc ca nistecuvinte precum gender studies nu inseamna nimic pentru tine oricum. ps. Daca-s asa de neinteresanta de ce te tot obosesti sa-mi raspunzi? |
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Kathara Postat pe 10 Martie 2009 21:46 |
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De la: Kathara, la data 2009-03-10 21:46:03Asa e, m-a traumatizat o hoarda de musulmani. Ce simplu ar fi .. din pacate pentru tine unele femei sunt mai complexe decat atat. Banuiesc ca nistecuvinte precum gender studies nu inseamna nimic pentru tine oricum. sa ajung la pagina 101 |
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myeyes Postat pe 10 Martie 2009 23:32 |
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De la: Kathara, la data 2009-03-10 20:25:33De la: _dulcik_, la data 2009-03-10 18:33:47Allah a ordonat femeilor musulmane,credincioase sa poarte val.Nimeni nu stie ce este mai bine pentru oameni in afara Creatorului lor,Allah. Da! aici iti dau dreptate. Sper ducik_, o sa se gandeasca serios la "tu ai avatarul pe care-l ai ... hm ..". Ma bucur, uneori poti sa judeci rational. Nu te credeam capabila. |
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salimgandapur Postat pe 11 Martie 2009 05:16 |
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De la: ocgiogi, la data 2009-03-08 15:10:50salimgandapur Dupa cum iti promisesem, am vazut acest FLV. Argumentele mele o sa fie oneste, cuprinzatoare si fara prejudecata. . Nu sunt selectiv cand e vorba de critica sau lauda.Numai duminica o sa am timp sa le adaug. |
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salimgandapur Postat pe 11 Martie 2009 10:59 |
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De la: salimgandapur, la data 2009-03-11 05:16:42De la: Kathara, la data 2009-03-10 20:25:33De la: _dulcik_, la data 2009-03-10 18:33:47Allah a ordonat femeilor musulmane,credincioase sa poarte val.Nimeni nu stie ce este mai bine pentru oameni in afara Creatorului lor,Allah. E doar un simplu avatar pe care o sa-l schimb cat de curand... |
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_dulcik_ Postat pe 11 Martie 2009 21:25 |
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De la: _dulcik_, la data 2009-03-11 21:25:22De la: salimgandapur, la data 2009-03-11 05:16:42De la: Kathara, la data 2009-03-10 20:25:33De la: _dulcik_, la data 2009-03-10 18:33:47Allah a ordonat femeilor musulmane,credincioase sa poarte val.Nimeni nu stie ce este mai bine pentru oameni in afara Creatorului lor,Allah. dulcik Sunt de acord ce spui tu ca nu e decat un avatar dar nu se potriveste cu valorile noastre musulmane. Lumea de acum (peste tot) are "Double Standards". O persona care umbla in curul gol e in stare sa te critice ca ai fusta prea scurta. |
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salimgandapur Postat pe 12 Martie 2009 05:32 |
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Quran Surah 2: The Cow 1. Don't bother to warn the disbelievers. Allah has blinded them. Theirs will be an awful doom. 6 2. Allah has sickened their hearts. A painful doom is theirs because they lie. 10 3. A fire has been prepared for the disbelievers, whose fuel is men and stones. 24 4. Disbelievers will be burned with fire. 39, 90 5. For disbelievers is a painful doom. 104 6. For unbelievers: ignominy in this world, an awful doom in the next. 114 7. Allah will leave the disbelievers alone for a while, but then he will compel them to the doom of Fire. 126 8. The doom of the disbelievers will not be lightened. 162 9. They will not emerge from the Fire. 167 10. Those who hide the Scripture will have their bellies eaten with fire. Theirs will be a painful doom. 174 11. How constant are they in their strife to reach the Fire! 175 12. Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kil them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. 191 13. War is ordained by Allah. 216 14. Those who die in their disbelief will burn forever in the Fire. 217 15. Disbelievers worship false gods. They will burn forever in the Fire. 257 16. Allah does not guide disbelievers. 264 17. "Give us victory over the disbelieving folk." 286 Quran Surah 3: The Family Of 'Imran 1. Those who disbelieve the revelations of Allah, theirs will be a heavy doom. 4 2. Those who disbelieve will be fuel for the Fire. 10 3. Those who disbelieve shall be overcome and gathered unto Hell. 12 4. Those who disbelieve, promise them a painful doom. 21 5. Theirs will be a painful doom. 77 6. All non-Muslims will be rejected by Allah after they die. 85 7. Disbelievers will have a painful doom. And they will have no helpers. 91 8. Disbelievers will have their faces blackened on the last day. They will face an awful doom. 105-6 9. Those who disbelieve will be burnt in the Fire. 116 10. The Fire is prepared for disbelievers. 131 11. We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Their habitation is the Fire 151 12. Theirs will be an awful doom. 176 13. Disbelievers do not harm Allah, but will have a painful doom. 177 14. Disbelievers will have a shamful doom. 178 15. Disbelievers will go to Hell. 196 Quran Surah 4: Women 1. Those who disobey Allah and his messenger will be burnt with fire and suffer a painful doom. 14 2. For the disbelievers, We have prepared a painful doom. 18 3. For disbelievers, We prepare a shameful doom. 37 4. Hell is sufficient for their burning. 55 5. Unbelievers will be tormented forever with fire. When their skin is burned off, a fresh skin will be provided. 56 6. Allah will bestow a vast reward on those who fight in religious wars. 74 7. Believers fight for Allah; disbelievers fight for the devil. So fight the minions of the devil. 76 8. Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them. 89 9. If the unbelievers do not offer you peace, kill them wherever you find them. Against such you are given clear warrant. 91 ( Offering peace in Islam means surrendering. All 67 out of 68 wars of Muhammad were offensive. They are called qazwah (raid, ambush, sudden attack). That is how Muhammad waged his wars. He raided, massacred and looted civilians with no warning. The one defensive war, 'ditch' was not fought. That is why the Islamic terrorism 'jihad' will continue until the West "offers peace". This was made clear by Bin Laden.) 10. Those who oppose the messenger and become unbelievers will go to hell. 115 11. Those who believe, then disbelieve, then believe and disbelieve again will never be forgiven by Allah. 137 12. For the hypocrites there will be a painful doom. 138 13. Allah will gather hypocrites and disbelievers into hell. 140 14. The hypocrites will be in the lowest part of hell and no one will help them there. 145 15. You must believe everything Allah and his messengers tell you. Those who don't are disbelievers and will face a painful doom. 150-151 16. For the disbelievers, Allah has prepared a painful doom. 161 17. God will guide disbelievers down a road that leads to everlasting hell. 168-169 Quran Surah 5: The Table Spread 1. Those who deny Islam will be losers in the Hereafter. 5 2. Disbelievers are the rightful owners of Hell. 10 3. Those who make war with Allah and his messenger will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. That is how they will be treated in this world, and in the next they will have an awful doom. 33 (Anyone who resist Islam is deemed to be making war with Allah) 4. Disbelievers will have a painful doom. 36 5. Disbelievers will want to come out of the Fire, but will not. Their will be a lasting doom. 37 6. Life for life, eye for eye, nose for nose, ear for ear, and tooth for tooth. Non-muslims are wrong doers. 45 7. Christians will be burned in the Fire. 72 8. Christians are wrong about the Trinity. For that they will have a painful doom. 73 9. Disbelievers will be owners of hell-fire. 86 Quran Surah 6: The Cattle 1. Many generations have been destroyed by Allah. 6 2. Allah will torment those who deny his revelations. 49 3. Those who disbelieve will be forced to drink boiling water, and will face a painful doom. 70 4. When nonbelievers die, the angels will deliver to them doom and degradation. 93 5. Allah chooses to lead some astray, and he lays ignominy on those who disbelieve. 125 6. Allah will send everyone the Fire, except those he chooses to deliver. 128 Quran Surah 7: The Heights 1. How many a township have We destroyed! As a raid by night, or while they slept at noon, Our terror came unto them. 4-5 2. Allah has made devils the protecting friends of disbeliveers. 27 3. Disbelievers choose devils as protecting friends and believe they are rightly guided. 30 4. Only believers go to heaven. 32 5. Disbelievers are the rightful owners of the Fire. 36 6. Entire nations have entered the Fire. Some get a double torment. 38 7. Disbelievers will be excluded from heaven. Theirs will be a bed of hell. 40-41 8. Those in the Fire will cry out to those in heaven, saying: "Pour water on us." But Allah has forbidden that to disbelievers. 50 9. Those who deny Muhammad's revelation are evil. 177 Quran Surah 8: The Spoils of War 1. Allah will throw fear into the hearts of the disbelievers, and smite their necks and fingers. 12 2. Disbelievers will be tormented in the Fire. 14 3. When you fight with disbelievers, do not retreat. Those who do will go to hell. 15-16 4. Taste of the doom because ye disbelieve. 35 5. Those who disbelieve will be gathered into hell. 36 6. The angels smite the face and backs of disbelievers, saying: "Taste the punishment of burning!" 50 7. The worst beasts in Allah's sight are the disbelievers. 55 8. Exhort the believers to fight. They will win easily, because disbelievers are without intelligence. 65 9. A prophet may not take captives until he has made a slaughter in the land. 67 Surah 9: Repentance 1. Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom to those who disbelieve. 3 2. Slay the idolaters wherever you find them. 5 3. Don't let idolaters tend the sanctuaries. Their works are in vain and they will be burned in the Fire. 17 4. Give tiding of a painful doom to Christians and Jews. 34 5. If you refuse to fight, Allah will afflict you with a painful doom. 39 6. Disbelievers go to hell. 49 7. Those who vex the Prophet, for them there is a painful doom. 60 8. Those who oppose Allah and His messenger will burn in the fire of hell. 63 9. Allah promises hypocrites and disbelievers the fire of hell. Allah curses them. They will have a lasting torment. 68 10. Fight the disbelievers and hypocrites. Be harsh with them. They are all going to hell anyway. 73 11. Allah will afflict disbelievers with a painful doom in this world and the Hereafter. 74 12. For disbelievers there will be a painful doom. 90 13. Don't pray for idolaters (not even for your family) after it is clear they are people of hell-fire. 113 14. Fight disbelievers who are near you, and let them see the harshness in you. 123 Quran Surah 10: Jonah 1. Disbelievers will have a boiling drink and a painful doom. 4 2. Those who neglect Allah's revelations will make their home in the Fire. 7-8 3. Allah has destoyed entire generations. 13 4. Those who disbelieved will face a dreadful doom. 70 5. Allah drowned those who disbelieved his revelations. 73 6. Moses asked Allah to harden the hearts of the Egyptians so that they would not believe until they saw the painful doom. 88 Quran Surah 11: Hud 1. Disbelievers wil1 end up in the Fire. 17 2. Those who oppose Islam and disbelieve in the Hereafter are guilty of the greatest wrong. 18-19 3. Those in the Fire will suffer as long as the heavens and earth endure. 106-7 4. Allah will fill hell with humans and jinn. 119 Quran Surah 13: The Thunder 1. Disbelievers are the rightful owners of the Fire 5 2. Allah does not hear the prayer of disbelievers. 14 3. Those who do not answer Allah's call will go to hell. 18 4. Disbelievers will be tormented in this life, and suffer even more pain in the Hereafter. 33-34 5. The reward for disbelievers is the Fire. 35 Quran Surah 14: Abraham 1. Woe unto the disbelievers. Theirs will be an awful doom. 2 2. Allah sends some people astray. 4 3. Those who are in hell will be forced to drink festering water which they can hardly swallow. They will want to die, but they will not be able to. Theirs is a harsh doom. 16-17 4. Allah sends wrong-doers astray. He does whatever he likes. 27 5. Those in hell will be chained together. Their clothing will be made of pitch and fire will cover their faces. 49-50 Quran Surah 15: The Rock 1. Let the disbelievers enjoy life and let false hope beguile them. They will come to know! 2-3 2. Iblis will lead humans astray. Only perfect Muslims will be safe from him. The rest will go to hell. 39-43 3. Allah's doom is a dolorous doom. 50 Quran Surah 16: The Bee 1. Allah could have led everyone to the truth, but he chose not to. 9 2. Those who don't believe in the Hearafter are proud. 22 3. Disbelievers are evil and will dwell in hell forever. 27-29 4. Disbelievers are liars. 39 5. Allah will add doom to doom for those who disbelieve. 88 6. Those who oppose Islam will face an awful doom. 94 Quran Surah 17: The Children of Israel 1. Allah made hell to be a dungeon for disbelievers. 8 2. Allah has prepared a painful doom for those who disbelieve in the Hereafter. 10 3. Allah destroyed entire towns. 16 4. How many generations Allah has destroyed since Noah! 17 5. Allah intends to burn people in hell. 18 6. Allah makes it so that unbelievers cannot understand. 45-46 7. Allah will destroy every town before the Day of Resurrection. 58 8. Allah will send disbelievers astray. Then he'll burn them in hell, increasing the flames from time to time. 97-98 Quran Surah 18: The Cave 1. Allah has prepared a Fire for the disbelievers. When they want a shower, Allah will give them a shower of molten lead to burn their faces. 29 2. Those who are condemned to the Fire know they will have no way to escape. 53 3. The worst wrong is to forget Allah's revelations. Allah covers their hearts and makes them deaf so that they will never believe the truth. 57 4. There is an appointed time in which the doomed will find no escape. 58 5. Allah has destroyed many towns. 59 6. On a certain day, Allah will present hell, in plain view, to the disbelievers. 100 7. Allah will welcome the disbelievers into hell. 102 8. Hell is the reward for disbelievers because they made a jest of Allah's revelations and messengers. 106 Quran Surah 19: Mary 1. Allah will pluck out from every sect those who should burn in hell. 69-70 2. Allah will record what disbelievers say and then prolong their torment. 77-79 3. Allah has sent the devils on the disbelievers to confuse them. 83 4. Allah has destroyed many generations. 98 Quran Surah 20: Ta Ha 1. Those who do not believe Allah's revelations will face doom in the Hereafter. 127 2. Allah has destroyed many generations. 128 Quran Surah 21: The Prophets 1. Allah destroyed entire towns, yet the people still disbelieved. 6 2. The people cried out for mercy, but Allah killed them anyway. 15 3. Disbelievers will not be able to put out the fire on their faces and backs. They will be stupefied and no one will help them. 39-40 4. Allah gave judgment and knowledge to Lot . He was a righteous man. (Genesis 19:7-38) 75 5. Every person alive at the time of the flood was evil. So Allah drowned them all. 77 6. The disbelievers will stare in terror at what Allah has in store for them. 97-99 Surah 22: The Pilgrimage 1. The devil will guide some to the punishment of the Flame. 3-4 2. Those who turn from the way of Allah will face ignominy in this world and burning in the next. 9 3. Whoever thinks that Allah will not give Muhammad victory should go hang himself. 15 4. Disbelievers will wear garments of fire, boiling fluid will be poured on their heads, their bellies and skin will be melted, they will be tormented with iron hooks, and when they try to escape they will be driven back with the taunt: Taste the doom of burning. 19-22 5. Allah will provide the disbelievers with a painful doom. 25 6. How many towns Allah has destroyed! 45 7. Those who disregard Allah's revelations are the owners of the Fire. 51 8. Those who disbelieve Allah's revelations will have a shameful doom. 57 9. Those who disbelieve Allah's revelations will burn in the Fire. 72 Quran Surah 23: The Believers 1. Allah told Noah not to bother pleading for the people he was about to drown. 27 2. Those who don't believe in the Hereafter will receive extreme punishment from Allah. 74-77 3. When fire burns their faces, they will be glum. 104 4. Disbelievers will not be successful. 117 Surah 24: The Light 1. Scourge adulterers and adulteresses with 100 stripes. Do not show them any pity. Have a party of believers watch the punishment. 2 2. Only adulterers can marry adulteresses. Believers are not to marry them. 3 3. Vile women are for vile men, and vile men for vile women. 26 4. Believing women must lower their gaze and be modest, cover themselves with veils, and not reveal themselves except to their husbands, relatives, children, and slaves. 31 5. Disbelievers are miscreants. 55 6. Disbelievers will never escape the Fire that will be their home. 57 7. It's okay for believers to own slaves. 58 8. The only true believers are those who believe in Allah and his messenger. 62 Quran Surah 25: The Criterion 1. Those who deny the coming of the Hour will be chained together and burned with fire. They will pray for their own destruction. 11-13 2. Allah will force the evil-doers to taste great torment. 19 3. It will be a hard day for disbelievers and wrong-doers. They will gnaw on their hands and wish they had chosen Islam. 26-27 4. Those who deny Muhammad's revelations will be destroyed. 36 5. Allah drowned everyone in the flood of Noah, and has prepared a painful doom for evil-doers. 37 Quran Surah 26: The Poets 1. Allah destroyed the people in Lot 's town with a dreadful rain. 172-3 2. Many will not believe until they see the painful doom. 201 3. Those who believe in another god are doomed. 213 Quran Surah 27: The Ant 1. Allah leads those who do not believe in the Hereafter astray by making things work out OK in this life, so that he can torment them forever in the next. They will get the worst punishment and will be the greatest losers. 4-5 2. "Allah destroyed them and their people, every one." 51 3. But he "saved those who believed." 53 4. Allah sent a dreadful rain on "those who stayed behind." 58 5. Whoever does something wrong will be thrown into the Fire. 90 Quran Surah 28: The Narrative 1. Allah has completely destroyed many communities. 58 2. Allah will taunt Christians on the day of their doom, saying: Where are My partners whom ye imagined? 62-64 3. Allah caused the earth to swallow Korah. 79-81 4. Never help disbelievers. 86 (Can Muslims in countries ruled in by non-Muslims be loyal to their country?) Quran Surah 29: The Spider 1. Those who disbelieve in the revelations of Allah have no hope of mercy. For such there is a painful doom. 23 2. Only wrong-doers deny the revelations of Allah. 49 3. Those who disbelieve in the revelations of Allah are the losers. 52 4. The doom of hell will come upon disbelievers suddenly, when they least expect it. 53-55 Quran Surah 30: The Romans 1. Allah will tear Christians apart for ascribing partners to him. 13-14 2. Disbelievers will be brought to doom. 16 3. It's OK to own slaves. 28 4. Allah does not love disbelievers. 45 5. Allah seals the heart of disbelievers. (And then he burns them in the Fire.) 59 Quran Surah 31: Luqman 1. Those who mislead others from Allah's way and mock Islam will have a painful doom. 6-7 2. Allah will give disbelievers a little comfort for a little while, and then he'll torment them forever with a heavy doom. 23-24 Quran Surah 32: The Prostration 1. Allah will fill hell with the jinn and mankind together. 13 2. Allah: Taste the doom of immortality because of what ye used to do. 14 3. Those who used to deny the Fire will be tormented in it forever. 20 4. The worst thing you can do is to deny the revelations of Allah. 22 Quran Surah 33: The Clans 1. Don't obey disbelievers. 1 (Can Muslims in countries ruled in by non-Muslims be loyal to their country?) 2. Allah makes the deeds of unbelievers fruitless. 19 3. Allah cast panic into the hearts of the disbelievers. He killed some, and enslaved others. 25-26 4. Allah gave Zeyd�s wife, his own daughter in law to Muhammad in marriage. This was so that all Muslims would know that it's OK to marry your adopted son's ex-wife. 37 5. Ignore disbelievers and their poisonous talk. 48 6. It's OK to own slaves. 50 7. Allah says it is lawful for Muhammad to marry any women he wants. 50-51 8. It's OK to own slaves. 55 9. Those who malign Allah, Muhammad, and Muslims will be cursed by Allah in this life and with doom in the Hereafter. 57 10. Those who oppose Islam will be slain with a fierce slaughter. 60-61 11. Allah has cursed the disbelievers, and has prepared for them a flaming fire, wherein they will abide forever. 64-65 12. The disbelievers will be burned in the Fire with a double torment. 66-68 Quran Surah 34: Saba 1. Those who challenge the revelations of Muhammad will have a painful doom. 5 2. Those who disbelieve in the Hereafter will be tormented. 8 3. But some of the jinn Allah burned with flaming Fire. 12 4. Those who strive against Allah's revelations will be brought to the doom. 38 5. Those who worshipped the jinn will taste the doom of the Fire. 41 6. Allah hates those who ignore his messengers. 45 7. Those who are cast into hell be terrified when they see that they have no escape. Then they will believe. But it will be too late. 51-52 Quran Surah 35: The Angels 1. Those who disbelieve will have an awful doom. 7 2. Allah sends whoever he wants astray. 8 3. Allah hates disbelievers. 26 4. Disbelievers will burn forever in the fire of hell. Allah will keep them alive so that he can torture them forever. When they repent and ask for mercy, he will ignore them. 36-7 5. He who disbelieves, his disbelief will be on his own head. 39 6. Allah has blinded the disbelievers so that they cannot see the truth. So it don't bother warning them. Quran Surah 36: Ya Sin 1. They will go to hell anyway. 8-10 2. Allah has destroyed many entire generations. 31 3. If Allah feels like it, he will drown everyone. 43 4. Allah will burn the disbelievers in hell. 63-4 Quran Surah 37: Those Who Set The Ranks 1. Those who refuse to believe in Muhammad's revelations will face a painful doom. 31-38 2. Those in hell must eat from a tree with the heads of devils, and then drink boiling water. After that they return to hell. 62-68 3. Allah drowned everyone except Noah and his family in the flood. 82 4. Allah tells Abraham in a dream to sacrifice his son. (But is the son Ishmael or Isaac?) 102 5. Allah killed everyone in Sodom except for Lot and his family. 136 6. No one is against Allah, except those who burn in hell. 162-3 Quran Surah 38: Sad 1. Allah has destroyed many generations. 3 2. Those who doubt will soon taste Allah's doom. 8 3. Those who deny the messengers deserve doom. 14 4. Those who wander from the way of Allah will have an awful doom. 26 5. Those who disbelieve will burn in the Fire. 27 6. The transgressors will roast in the Fire and be forced to drink boiling liquids followed by ice cold drinks. 55-9 7. Iblis asks Allah to let him hang around and mislead humans. Allah allows him to do so, and Iblis leads all humans to hell except for the single-minded slaves. Allah agrees, and plans to fill hell with Iblis and his followers. 79-85 Quran Surah 39: The Troops 1. Tell the disbelievers to enjoy themselves now, because later they will be owners of the Fire. 8 2. The losers will be those who lose themselves and their families on the Day of Resurrection. They will be surrounded by fire. 15-16 3. No one will be able to help those that Allah torments in the Fire. 19 4. Woe unto those who forget Allah. They are in plain error. 22 5. Allah sends some people astray. For them there is no guide. 23 6. The worst thing you can do is tell a lie against Allah. The home of disbelievers is hell. 32 7. Allah sends some people astray. For them there is no guide. 36 8. Surrender to Allah before he sends the doom upon you suddenly. 54-55 9. Those who lie about Allah will be sent to hell and will have their faces blackened. 60 10. Losers are those who disbelieve the revelations of Allah. 63 11. Those ascribe a partner to Allah (like the Christians) will be among the losers. 65 12. Those who disbelieve will be driven into hell. 71-72 Quran Surah 40: The Believer 1. Allah sent an awful punishment at the time of Noah. 5 2. Those who disbelieve are the owners of the Fire. 6 3. Allah greatly abhors those who disbelieve. 10 4. When the doom comes, the hearts of the doomed will choke in their throats, and no one will help them. 18 5. Those who ignore Allah's "clear proofs" will be seized and punished severely. 22 6. Those that Allah sends astray will have no helper or guide. 33 7. Allah deceives those who doubt. 34 8. The prodigals will be owners of the Fire. 43 9. The doomed will be exposed to the Fire morning and evening. 46 10. Those in hell will beg to be relieved from the Fire's torment for just a day. But the prayer of a disbeliever is in vain. 49-50 11. Those who bicker about Allah's revelations are filled with pride. 56 12. Those who scorn Allah will go to hell. 60 13. Those who deny the revelations of Allah are perverted. 63 14. Those who deny the Scripture and Allah's messengers will be dragged through boiling water and thrust into the Fire. 70-72 15. Allah will taunt the Christians in hell, saying: Where are all my partners that you used to believe in? 73 16. Thus does Allah send astray the disbelievers (in his guidance). 74 17. Those who scorn will go to hell. 76 18. When they see Allah's doom they will believe in Allah. But their faith will not save them. The disbelievers will be ruined. 84-85 Quran Surah 41: Fusilat 1. Woe unto the idolaters who disbelieve in the Hereafter. 6 2. Allah will make life miserable for those who deny his revelations and then he will torment them forever in the Hereafter. And they will not be helped. 15-16 3. The enemies of Allah will be gathered into the Fire where their skin, ears, and eyes will testify against them. 19-20 4. Allah will make those who disbelieve taste an awful doom. Their immortal home will be the Fire, since they denied Allah's revelations. 27-28 5. Those who disbelieve will taste hard punishment. 50 Quran Surah 42: The Counsel 1. While some lounge in the Garden, others will roast in the Flame. 7 2. Those who argue about Allah will have his wrath upon them. Theirs will be an awful doom. 16 3. Allah sometimes kills people for misbehaving. 34 4. Allah sends some people astray and then punishes them for it by burning them in the Fire. 44-46 5. Allah makes some people barren. (Whenever he feels like it.) 50 Quran Surah 43: Ornaments of God 1. When the Egyptians angered Allah, he drowned them all. 55 2. Those who argue and do wrong will have a painful doom that will come upon them suddenly. 65-66 3. The guilty are tormented forever in hell. Allah will not relax their punishment. 74-75 Quran Surah 44: Smoke 1. Those in torment will claim to believe and ask Allah for relief. But he will refuse since they will return to their disbelief. 11-16 2. Those in hell must eat from a tree like molten brass that burns their bellies. Then boiling water will be poured on their heads. 43-48 Quran Surah 45: Crouching 1. Those who hear and reject Allah's revelations are sinful liars. Give them tidings of a painful doom. 7-8 2. Those who joke about Allah's revelations will go to hell. Theirs will be an awful doom. 9-10 3. Those who disbelieve in Allah's revelations will have a painful doom of wrath. 11 4. Allah sends some people astray, making it impossible for them to hear or see. 23 5. Those who disbelieve are guilty folk. 31 Quran Surah 46: The Wind-Curved Sandals 1. Disbelievers will be rewarded with the ignominious doom of the Fire. 20 2. The guilty will face a wind with a painful torment. 25 3. Allah has destroyed entire towns. 27 4. Allah will taunt the disbelievers that he torments in the fire, saying: "Taste the doom for that ye disbelieved." 34 Quran Surah 47: Muhammad 1. Allah makes the works of disbelievers vain. 1 2. Those who disbelieve follow falsehood. 3 3. Smite the necks of the disbelievers whenever you fight against them. Those who die fighting for Allah will be rewarded. 4 4. Allah will damn the disbelievers and make all their actions fruitless. 8-9 5. Disbelievers may eat and be happy now, but the Fire will be their final home. 12 6. Those in the Garden will drink delicious wine, while those in the Fire will drink boiling water that will tear apart their intestines. 15 7. Allah curses people by making them deaf and blind. 23 8. Angels will gather them together and smite their faces and backs. 27 9. Allah will make the actions those who disbelieve fruitless. 32 10. Those who disbelieve will never be pardoned by Allah. 34-35 Quran Surah 48: Victory 1. Those who think an evil thought concerning Allah will be cursed and sent to hell by him. 6 2. Allah has prepared a flame for the disbelievers. 13 3. If you refuse to fight for Allah, he will punish you with a painful doom. 16-17 4. But if you're willing to fight for Allah, he will provide you with lots of booty. 19-20 5. Allah punished those who disbelieved with a painful punishment. 25 6. Those with Muhammad are ruthless toward disbelievers and merciful toward themselves. 29 Quran Surah 49: The Private Apartments 1. Do not lift your voice when in Muhammad's presence. Those who subdue their voices are righteous and will receive an immense reward from Allah. 1-3 Quran Surah 50: Oaf 1. Allah has destroyed many entire generations. 36 Quran Surah 51: The Winnowing Winds 1. Accursed are the conjecturers who ask: When is the Day of Judgment? It is the day they will be tormented by the Fire. 10-14 2. Woe to the disbelievers. 60 Quran Surah 52: The Mount 1. Those who deny the existence of hell will be thrust into its Fire. 11-16 2. Those who disbelieve are trapped. 42 Quran Surah 54: The Moon 1. Allah sent a storm of stones on Lot's folk, killing all but Lot 's family. 34 2. The suffering in hell will be more wretched and bitter than anything experienced on earth. 46-48 3. Allah destroyed many people, but does anyone remember anymore? 51 Quran Surah 55: The Beneficent 1. The guilty deny hell. But after they die they go circling between it and fierce, boiling water. 43-44 Quran Surah 56: The Event 1. But those on his left hand will face scorching wind, scalding water, and black smoke. 42-43 2. Those who deny Allah and the Hereafter will eat from the Zaqqum tree and drink boiling water. 51-54 3. Allah will welcome the rejecters and erring with boiling water and a roasting in the hell fire. 92-94 Quran Surah 57: Iron 1. The home of disbelievers is the Fire, a hapless journey's end. 15 2. Those who disbelieve and deny Allah's revelations are the owners of the fire. 19 Quran Surah 58: She That Disputeth 1. For disbelievers is a painful doom. 4 2. For disbelievers is a shameful doom. 5 3. Don't make friends with Allah's enemies. For those who do so, Allah has prepared a dreadful doom. 14-15 4. Those who turn others away from the way of Allah will have a shameful doom. They are rightful owners of the Fire. 16-17 5. Those who oppose Allah and His Messenger will be among the lowest. 20 6. On the Last Day good Muslims will not love their non-Muslim friends and family members, not even their fathers, sons, or brothers (or their mothers, daughters, or sisters). 22 Quran Surah 59: Exile 1. Allah cast fear into the hearts of the disbelieving People of the Scripture. Their home in the Hereafter will be the Fire. 2-3 2. The disbelieving people of the Scripture are liars. 11 3. The devil and disbelievers will be in the Fire. 16-17 4. The owners of the Garden and the owners of the Fire are not equal. 20 Quran Surah 60: She That is to be Examined 1. Don't be friends with disbelievers. They are your (and Allah's) enemy. 1 2. Don't be friends with those who have warred against you because of religion. Whoever makes friends with them is a wrong-doer. 9 3. Don't be friends with those who disbelieve in the Hereafter. They are Allah's enemies. 13 Quran Surah 61: The Ranks 1. Allah loves those who fight for him. 4 2. Allah leads some people astray. 5 3. The worst thing you can do is tell a lie about Allah. 7 Quran Surah 62: The Congregation 1. A hypocritical Jew looks like an ass carrying books. Those who deny the revelations of Allah are ugly. 5 Quran Surah 63: The Hypocrites 1. Allah seals the hearts of those who believe and then disbelieve so that they can understand nothing. 3 2. Disbelievers are perverted. They are the enemy, confounded by Allah. 4 3. Don't bother to ask Allah to forgive the disbelievers. He will never forgive them. 6 Quran Surah 64: Mutual Disillusion 1. Those who disbelieve will have a painful doom. 5 2. Those who disbelieve are the owners of the Fire. 10 Quran Surah 66: Banning 1. Muhammad's wives need to be careful. If they criticize their husband, Allah will replace them with better ones. 5 2. The fuel of the Fire is men and stones. 6 3. Be stern with disbelievers. They are going to Hell anyway. 9 4. The wives of Noah and Lot (who were both righteous) betrayed their husbands and are now in the Fire. 10 Quran Surah67: The Sovereignty 1. Disbelievers will go to hell where they will hear its roaring and boiling. 6-7 2. Who will protect the disbelievers from a painful doom? (Nobody) 28 Quran Surah 69: The Reality 1. Those who do not believe in Allah will be chained up and cast into hell-fire where they will eat filth. 30-35 Quran Surah 71: Noah 1. Those that Allah drowned in Noah's flood were then tortured forever in the Fire. 25 2. Noah asked Allah to drown all the disbelievers. 26 Quran Surah 72: The Jinn 1. The fires of hell will be fueled with the bodies of idolators and unbelievers. They will experience an ever-greater torment. 15-17 2. Those who disobey Allah and his messenger will dwell forever in the fire of hell. 23 Quran Surah 73: The Enshrouded One 1. Allah will take care of the deniers. He will tie them up, burn them in a raging fire, and feed them food that chokes them. 11-13 Quran Surah 74: The Cloaked One 1. The last day will be a day of anguish for disbelievers. 9-10 2. Those who are stubborn to Allah's revelations will face a fearful doom. 16-17 3. The fire of hell shrivels humans and spares nothing. 27-29 4. Allah has appointed angels to tend the Fire and has prepared stumbling blocks for those who disbelieve. He sends some people (whoever he wants) astray. 31 5. Allah is the font of fear. 56 Quran Surah 76: "Time" or "Man" 1. Allah has prepared chains, manacles, and a raging fire for the disbelievers. 4 2. Don't obey disbelievers. 24 Quran Surah 77: The Emissaries 1. Allah destroyed "the former folk." 16 2. Woe unto the repudiators on that day! 19, 24, 28, 34, 40, 45, 49 Quran Surah 79: "Those Who Drag Forth" Those who rebel will go to hell. 37-39 Quran Surah 80: "He Frowned" 1. Disbelievers are wicked people. On the last day they will be in darkness and have dust on their faces. 40-42 Quran Surah 82: The Cleaving 1. The wicked will burn in hell forever. 82 Quran Surah 84: The Sundering 1. Some folks will be thrown into a scorching fire. 11-12 2. Disbelievers will be given a painful doom. 22-24 Quran Surah 87: The Most High 1. Those who are flung into the great Fire will neither live nor die. 12-13 Quran Surah 88: The Overwhelming 1. On that day many will be sad and weary. Scorched by the fire, drinking boiling water, with only bitter thorn-fruit to eat. 2-7 2. Allah will punish disbelievers with the direst punishment. 23-24 Quran Surah 89: The Dawn 1. Allah poured on them the disaster of His punishment. 13 Quran Surah 90: The City 1. Those who disbelieve Allah's revelations will have the Fire placed over them like an awning. 19-20 Quran Surah92: The Night 1. Those who deny Allah's revelations must endure the flaming fire. 14-16 |
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Kathara Postat pe 12 Martie 2009 08:13 |
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Aia din sura 30 si 33 cu "Its OK to own slaves" n-o stiam Hehe! Da' stiu ca au asudat o leaca sa inventeze toate "pedepsele" de pe lumea ailalta... Cata energie risipita  ... Daca ar fi folosit macar jumatate pentru ceva constructiv! |
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Dor_a Postat pe 12 Martie 2009 08:30 |
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Stai ca mai e, Mossadul mi-a dat de lucru azi, nu gluma. Slave-girls as sexual property in the Quran James M. Arlandson Would you join a religion that permitted men to have sex with their slave-girls throughout their enslavement—if this religion codified this act in its holy book? Many persons in the West (and elsewhere) who convert to Islam are women. I just got an email from a Muslim woman who said she converted to Islam two years ago. Would women do this if they knew about ALL of this religion? Reasonable women should stop and think a second time before taking this serious step (but a reversible one, albeit punishable by death in many Islamic countries). Islam goes more deeply than just the benign Five Pillars. It has many unpleasant truths lurking in its sacred texts. The goal of this article is to bring out yet another of these truths, so people can make fully informed decisions from all of the facts. Would the true God inspire the following verses six hundred years after Jesus showed us a better way? Sex with slave-girls in times of peace Sura (Chapter) 23 was revealed during Muhammad’s life in Mecca before his Hijrah or Emigration from his home city to Medina in AD 622. During the early years of his ministry, he never waged war on anyone, so these were times of peace, although he suffered from a measure of persecution. For more information on the historical and the literary topical contexts of Sura 23, click here. The Quran in Sura 23:5-6 says: 5 [Most certainly true believers] . . . guard their private parts scrupulously, 6 except with regard to their wives and those who are legally in their possession, for in that case they shall not be blameworthy. (Sayyid Abul A’La Maududi, The Meaning of the Quran, vol. 3, p. 237) The key words are "those who are legally in their possession." Maududi (d. 1979) is a highly respected commentator on the Quran, and he interprets the plain meaning of the clause, saying that sex with slave-girls is lawful. Maududi writes: Two categories of women have been excluded from the general command of guarding the private parts: (a) wives, (b) women who are legally in one’s possession, i.e. slave-girls. Thus the verse clearly lays down the law that one is allowed to have sexual relation with one’s slave-girl as with one’s wife, the basis being possession and not marriage. If marriage had been the condition, the slave-girl also would have been included among the wives, and there was no need to mention them separately. (Ibid. p. 241, note 7) The main point in this section, which Maududi overlooks or refuses to criticize, is that Muhammad himself endorses not only the entire institution of slavery, but also sex between male owners and their female slaves within this institution. But how can he and devout Muslims criticize their prophet without seriously damaging Islam? But Muslims must do this, if they think clearly and critically, and for the good of humanity. It should be noted that Sura 70:29-30, also revealed in Mecca, uses nearly the identical words as Sura 23:5-6. Men must guard their private parts from everyone but their wives and slave-girls, meaning that men may have sex with both "categories" (Maududi’s word). If readers would like to see these verses in multiple translations, they should go to this website. This one has three translations, and this one is funded by the Saudi royal family. Sex with slave-girls in times of war Now Muhammad has emigrated from Mecca to Medina. By the time Sura 4 is revealed, where our next Quranic verse is found, he has fought many wars and skirmishes. For example, he fights the Meccans in the Battle of Badr in AD 624 and again the Meccans at the Battle of Uhud in AD 625. He also exiles the Jewish tribes of Qaynuqa in AD 624 and Nadir in AD 625. He carries forward this policy of sex between male owners and their female slaves to his new city of Medina, with the added twist of enslaving women prisoners of war and permitting his soldiers to have sex with them. For more information on the historical and literary topical contexts of this next sura, please click here. The Quran in Sura 4:24 says: And forbidden to you are wedded wives of other people except those who have fallen in your hands (as prisoners of war) . . . (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 319). (See also Suras 4:3 and 33:50) Thus, women captives are sometimes forced to marry their Muslim masters, regardless of the marital status of the women. That is, the masters are allowed to have sex with the enslaved human property. Maududi says in his comment on the verse that it is lawful for Muslim holy warriors to marry women prisoners of war even when their husbands are still alive. But what happens if the husbands are captured with their wives? Maududi cites a school of law that says Muslims may not marry them, but two other schools say that the marriage between the captive husbands and wives is broken (note 44). But why would a debate over this cruelty emerge? The answer is obvious for those who understand simple justice. No sex should take place between married female prisoners of war and their captors. In fact, no sex should take place between women captives and their Muslim overlords under any circumstance. This sexual injustice is reprehensible, but Allah wills it nonetheless—the Quran says so. Predictably, the hadith perpetuate this Quran-inspired immorality. The hadith are the reports of Muhammad’s actions and words outside of the Quran. The most reliable collector and editor is Bukhari (d. 870). The hadith demonstrate that Muslims jihadists actually have sex with the captured women, whether or not they are married. In the following passage, Khumus is one-fifth of the spoils of war. Ali, Muhammad’s cousin and son-in-law, just finished a relaxing bath. Why? The Prophet sent Ali to Khalid to bring the Khumus (of the booty) and . . . Ali had taken a bath (after a sexual act with a slave-girl from the Khumus). What was Muhammad’s response to the person who hated Ali for this sexual act? Do you hate Ali for this? . . . Don’t hate him, for he deserves more than that from [the] Khumus. (Bukhari) Thus, Muhammad casually believes that slave women who are part of the one-fifth of the spoils of war can be treated like sexual property. Ali is a Muslim hero. He was the husband of Fatima, Muhammad’s daughter by his first wife Khadija. So why would the model prophet for the world scold his son-in-law for having sex with a slave-girl? After all, slaves are fair sexual game. The Quran says so. Moreover, holy jihadists may not practice coitus interruptus with the women they capture, but not for the reason one expects: simple justice. While on a military campaign and away from their wives, Muslim jihadists "received captives from among the Arab captives and we desired women and celibacy became hard on us and we loved to do coitus interruptus." They asked the holy prophet about this, and it is important to note what he did not say. He did not scold them or prohibit any kind of sex whatsoever, declaring it haram (forbidden). Rather, he gets lost in theology and the quirky doctrine of fate: It is better for you not to do so [practice coitus interruptus]. There is no person that is destined to exist, but will come to existence, till the Day of Resurrection. (Bukhari; for parallel hadiths go here and here) That is, these enquiring Muslims should stop doing coitus interruptus, but instead go all the way with the enslaved sex objects. Fate controls who should be born. Muhammad does not prohibit this extremely immoral practice just when the time was right to forbid it. It is one thing for some soldiers in any army to strike out on their own and rape women. All armies have criminal soldiers who commit this wrong act. But it is quite another to codify rape in a sacred text. Islam codifies and legalizes rape. It is disappointing that the Quran does not abolish this sexual crime in the clearest terms: Thou shalt not have sex with slave-girls under any circumstance! Conclusion It may be argued that American slave-owners committed sexual crimes against their slaves before the Civil War (1861-1865), so who are Christians or Americans (the two are not identical) to complain about Islam? In reply, however, the two situations are different. First, it is wrong to compare the US with the Muslim community founded by Muhammad, who claimed divine inspiration. Instead, it is best to compare the founder of a religion (Jesus) with another founder (Muhammad). Second, in no place in the New Testament does God give permission to men—Christian or secular—to have sex with slave-girls. This would violate the spirit of Jesus’ ministry and the entire writings of the New Testament authors, who understood Jesus as fulfilling the Old Testament. If Americans in a bygone era did this, then they were not following God’s law. The Quran, however, codifies and legalizes this sexual crime, and allegedly this book came down from Allah through Gabriel to Muhammad. Any clear-thinking individual can see that having sex with women in their most desperate condition (slavery) is wrong. But the real issue is much larger than questions about American history. The following question must be asked and answered: Is Muhammad, the Quran, and Islam the best prophet, book, and religion to lead humanity into the new millennium? For those of us on the outside of Islam who examine the evidence with as much objectivity as we can and who have not been blinded by a lifetime of devotion to Islam, the answer to this rhetorical question is obvious: no, they are not the best to lead all of humanity into the new millennium. Therefore, all clear-thinking Muslims who live under hyper-religious oppressors must throw them off and ignite secular revolutions, such as the one that happened in Turkey after World War I. Maybe this will happen in Iran, and maybe Iraq will steer clear of sharia (Islamic law), as Iraqis take their first baby steps towards democracy. They must get away from the Quran and Muhammad’s example. Until these revolutions happen and until religious leaders renounce many verses in the Quran and the hadith, we on the outside of this religion are allowed to distrust Muhammad’s religion. And women who are tempted to convert to this religion must stop and think a second time. http://www.answering-islam.org/Authors/Arlandson/women_slaves.htm |
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Kathara Postat pe 12 Martie 2009 09:05 |
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Aladiah Postat pe 12 Martie 2009 09:13 |
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Asta speram si noi, Aladiah... Pace sa fie! Totusi... Acum inteleg mai multe... Familiile arabe localnice din Golf obisnuiesc sa aduca "servitoare" din alte tari, sarace, cateodata tot musulmane. Indonezia, Filipine. Cand incep munca, le iau pasapoartele, ceea ce le impiedica sa "fuga" si le trateaza ca pe sclavi. Fara pasaport nu pot parasi tara, si nici nu-si pot denunta "stapanii" pentru ca ele sunt niste venetice si e cuvantul lor impotriva cuvantului nativilor, in tara lor. Deci e "lose-lose situation" Femeile alea ale lor, nativele cu "servitori", tinute-n casa si nefe (din cauza ca se casatoresc de complezenta, intre rude, barbatii nici nu se uita la ele dupa casatorie... sau daca o fac, e doar sa le calareasca in treacat ca sa faca vreo 7 copii) le bat pe servitoarele/sclave de le usuca, le trateaza ca pe ultimile vite de povara... Daca mor, oricum, nu-i pasa nimanui... daca sunt omorate, tot asa... Ce am auzit, mi s-a ridicat parul in cap... ceea ce nu am stiut e ca au voie, conform religiei, sa faca d-astea. Trebuie insa sa va spun ca exista pe anumite posturi de televiziune un fel de reclame care fac apel la anti-violenta impotriva celor care lucreaza in casa (niste filmulete care prezinta doar violenta verbala, evident, ca doar nu or arata cum le pocesc pe amaratele alea). Ceea ce spune doua lucruri: unu, ca violenta asta exista; doi, ca cel putin in tarile mai avansate musulmane, se incerca stoparea ei. |
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Dor_a Postat pe 12 Martie 2009 09:43 |
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Imi amintesc, am fost invitata intr-o casa a unor arabi nativi (exceptand-o pe cea de-a doua sotie) din UAE o data... O familie tipica, doua neveste (eu eram in casa celei de-a doua, favorita adica, nu cea luata de complezenta, o egipteanca infipta si foarte simpatica, una peste alta)... Aveau ca menajera o amarata indonezianca micutza - vreo 14-15 ani - timida si speriata, nici nu se uita in ochii tai cand te servea... Iti era si mila... Cu toate astea (si cu toate ca nu era total incuiata), stapana casei vorbea cu un dispret nimicitor despre ea/ele... Imi povestea ca trebuie sa fii foarte atenta cu "cele ca ea", "servitoarele" adica, ca raman insarcinate una-doua si trebuie sa le trimiti inapoi, la ele in tara... Acum ma gandesc ca asa reusesc amaratele alea sa scape: raman gravide, iar astia trebuie sa le trimita de la ei din casa, ca nu mai sunt bune de munca... Plus ca legea nu permite femei necasatorite cu copii... 
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Dor_a Postat pe 12 Martie 2009 10:05 |
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Aladiah Postat pe 12 Martie 2009 10:19 |
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Partz!
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Dor_a Postat pe 12 Martie 2009 13:49 |
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De la: Dor_a, la data 2009-03-12 13:49:40Partz!  
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__LL__ Postat pe 12 Martie 2009 14:22 |
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Asta pe principiulunde dai si unde crapa. .In loc sa-si apere Islamul incearca sa denigreze Crestinismul. Greu cu lipsa asta de argumente!
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Kathara Postat pe 12 Martie 2009 14:26 |
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Are si crestinismul foarte multe defecte, avantajul e ca acum nu mai arzi pe rug daca spui ca Pamantul se invarte in jurul Soarelui si nu invers, sau daca esti suspectata de a fi vrajitoare, respectiv de a avea sufletul vandut diavolului. Biserica crestina s-a mai imblanzit... Musulmanul nostru ataca si el, ca doar atacul e cea mai buna parare |
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Aladiah Postat pe 12 Martie 2009 14:39 |
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I R E M E D I A B I L A N T A G O N I C E?. PENTRU CA UNORA DINTRE PARTICIPANTI, LE FACE MARE PLACERE, IN IGNORANTA LOR SA CREADA CA ASTFEL DEMOLEAZA ISLAMUL, VENIND CU TOT FELUL DE GASELNITE, UNELE DIN QUR’AN CARE CONTRAZIC CHIAR ARGUMENTUL PE CARE EI CRED CA L AVANSEAZA, VA DAU AICI NUMAI UN EXEMPLU PERFECT FONDAT DE FELUL IN CARE CRESTINISMUL, CREDINTA SI RELIGIE, AR PUTEA FI SERIOS PUS LA INDOIALA. SE VEDE CA RELIGIILE ANTERIOARE ISLAMULUI, SE BAZEAZA MAI MULT PE POVESTI CIRCULAND ORAL SAU IN CARTICELE DE POPULARIZARE IEFTINA DECAT PE STUDIUL TEXTULUI REVELAT, CARE NOUA NE SUNT MAI BINE CUNOSCUTE CHIAR CAND E VORBA DE ALTE RELIGII. FARA SA VA SIMTITI JIGNITI SAU SA CREDETI CA FAC PROPAGANDA, VA VOI ADUCE MAI MULTE EXEMPLE CA SA SUBSTANTIEM MOTIVELE CARE AR FI PUTUT DUCE LA ATATA ANIMOZITATE SI CALOMNIE. CINE NU E EDUCAT IN ISTORIE SI RELIGIE, N ARE DREPTUL SA PIARDA TIMPUL SI RABDAREA ALTORA CU GOGORITELE PE CARE VOR SA LE IMPUNA DREPT ULTIMUL ADEVAR. ( KATHARA, MADAM (PHD?). NU STIE NICI MACAR CA ISLAMUL A FOST PRIMUL CARE A TERMINAT SCLAVIA IN TERITORIILE LUI. INTRE MULTE RECOMANDARI ALE PROFETULUI PT EXPIAREA PACATELOR, ELIBERAREA SCLAVILOR AVEA CEA MAI MARE GREUTATE. DIN PACATE IN TERITORIILE CRESTINE E LA MARE MODA ACUM SI MULTI EUROPENI DIN EST FAC ILEGAL DAR EFECTIV MUNCI JOSNICE SAU LUCREAZA IN SWEAT SHOPS IN INTREAGA LUME “CIVILIZATA”. NU MAI VORBIM DE PROBLEMELE RIDICATE DE SECOLE DE SCLAVIE A AFRICANILOR IN AMERICA CARE PANA ACUM NU SUNT REZOLVATE. G E N E A L O I G I A L U I I S U S UITE CUM ACUM PARINTII CRESTINI AI BISERICII AU FORTAT PROGENITURILE INCESTUOASE ALE VECHIULUI TESTAMENT ASUPRA DOMNULUI SI SALVATORULUI LOR ISUS CHRISTOS, IN NOUL TESTAMENT. PENTRU UN OM CARE N AVEA NICI O GENEALOGIE, EI AU CONFECTIONAT UNA PENTRU EL. SI CE MAI GENEALOGIE! SASE ADULTERERI SI URMASI A INCESTULUI SUNT IMPUSI ASUPRA ACESTUI OM SFANT A LUI DUMNEZEU. BARBATI SI FEMEI CARE MERITAU SA FIE OMORATI CU PIETRE DUPA LEGEA LUI DUMNEZEU INSUSI, CUM A FOST REVELATA PRIN MOISE SI MAI DEPARTE SA FIE IZOLATI SI OPRITI DE LA CASA LUI DUMNEZEU PENTRU GENERATII. “Bastardul nu va intra in congrgatia Domnului nici chiar intr a zecea generatie” (Deut 23:2----AV). Martorii au fost prea simtitori la acest cuvant, inghitind camila se chinuiau sa vada un tantar. STRAMOSI DE NEAM PROST DE CE I AR DA DUMNEZEU UN “TATA” PE IOSIF, “FIULUI” SAU ISUS? SI DE CE ASA NISTE STRAMOSI DE NEAM PROST? “ASTA E TOATA FRUMUSETEA TREBII” ZICE PERVERSUL “ DUMNEZEU I A IUBIT PE PACATOSI ASA DE MULT CA NU I A DISPLACUT SA I DEA ASTFEL DE PROGENITORI “FIULUI” SAU NUMAI DOI INAINTATI IN GRAD DINTRE CEI PATRU SCRIITORI DE BIBLIE, DUMNEZU I A “INSPIRAT” NUMAI PE DOI DINTRE EI SA INREGISTREZE GENEALOGIA FIULUI SAU. CA SA FAC USOR PT VOI SA I COMPARATI PE “TATII SI BUNICII LUI ISUS” IN AMANDOUA LISTELE “INSPIRATE” AM ADUNAT NUMAI NUMELE FARA COMENTARII. (VEZI CE URMEAZA). INTRE DAVID SI ISUS, DUMNEZEU “L A INSPIRAT” PE MATEI SA INREGISTREZE NUMAI 26 DE STRAMOSI PT FIUL SAU. DAR LUCA, SI EL “INSPIRAT” A ADUNAT APROAPE 41 DE STRAMOSI PT ISUS. SINGURUL NUME COMUN IN CELE DOUA LISTE INTRE DAVID SI ISUS, E IOSIF SI ACELA DEASEMENI UN TATA “PRESUPUS” DUPA LUCA 3:23 (AV). ACEST NUME ITI SARE IN OCHI. ESTE IOSIF TAMPLARUL. DEASEMENI O SA OBSERVI USOR CA LISTELE SUNT GROSOLAN CONTRADICTORII. PUTEAU AMANDOUA LISTELE SA PROVINA DE LA ACEEASI SURSA, DUMNEZEU? GENEALOGIE LUI ISUS DE LA DAVID LA ISUS DUPA MATE 1:6-16 D A V I D 1- SOLOMSN 2- ROBOAM 3- ABIA 4- ASA 5- JOSAPHAT 6- JORAM 7- OZIAS 8- JOATHAM 9- ACHAZ 10- EZEKIAS 11- MANASSES 12- AMON 13- JOSIAS 14- JECHONIAS 15- SALATHIEL 16- ZOROBABEL 17- ABIUD 18- ELIAKIM 19- AZOR 20- SADOC 21- ACHIM 22- ELIUD 23- ELEAZAR 24- MATTHAN 25- JACOB 26- J O S E P H I S U S DUPA LUCA 3:13-31 D A V I D 1- NATHAN 21- SALATHIEL 2- MATTATHA 22- ZOROBABEL 3- MENAN 23- RHESA 4- MELEA 24- JOANNA 5- ELIAKIM 25- JUDA 6- JONAN 26- JOSEPH 7- JOSEPH 27- SEMEI 8- JUDA 28- MATTATHIAS 9- SIMEON 29- MAATH 10- LEVI 30- NAGGE 11- MATTHAT 31- ESLI 12- JORIM 32- NAUM 13- ELIEZER 33- AMOS 14- JOSE 34- MATTATHIAS 15- ER 35- JOSEPH 16- ELMODAM 36- JANNA 17- COSAM 37- MELCHI 18- EDDI 38- LEVI 19- MELCHI 39- MATTHAT 20- NERI 40- HELI 41- J O S E P H I S U S |
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salimgandapur Postat pe 12 Martie 2009 20:38 |
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Kathara Postat pe 12 Martie 2009 20:44 |
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De la: Kathara, la data 2009-03-12 20:44:20Mai nene, daca vrei sa discuti crestinismul deschide subiect separat. Aici vorbim despre Islam. Astept sa-ti aud contraargumentele. MA TATO ' ' DE CE TREBUIE SA DISCUTAM NUMAI DESPRE ISLAM CI NU DESPRE CRESTINISMUL, TOT IN ACELAESI TIMP. CUM VREI SA AJUNGI LA O CONCLUZIE ALTFEL. DEJA DISCUTIA E INCEPUTA. SAU DELIBERAT CAUTI O SCUZA SA SCAPI DE DISCUTIA MAI DEPARTE?. N AM DE GAND SA LAS SUBIECTUL NELAMURIT PT CA VREI TU. NOI NU AVEM NIMIC CU CRESTINISMUL. E RELIGIA CU CARE A VENIT PROFETUL NOSTRU ISA ( (ISUS-P.B.U.H) LA EVREI. NOI IL RESPECATAM SI N AVEM NEVOIE SA NE CONVINGA CINEVA DESPRE EL. O SINGURA MARTURISIRE DIN QUR'AN A FOST DESTULA SA CONVINGA PE SUTE DE MII DE MUSULMANI DESPRE REVERENTA LUI ISA (ISUS, P.B.U.H). NOI NU L CREDEM NICI FIUL LUI DUMNEZEU SI NICI DIVIN. A FOST UN PROFET ALES DE ALLAH CUM AU FOST SI ALTII INAINTE DE EL. ALLAH E SUPREM. NICI N A FOST NASCUT SI NICI NU S A NASCUT CEVA DIN EL. E DREPT ISUS N A AVUT UN TATA. DE CE NU VA GANDITI LA NASTEREA LUI ADAM, CARE N AVEA NICI TATA SI NICI MAMA. IN DISCUTIA VIITOARE O SA VIN CU RASPUNSURI LA MULTE INTREBARI PE CARE MULTI DINTRE CRESTINI CHIAR DACA NU INTREABA DIRECT, TOTUSI SE GANDESC. TU N AI CHEF, NU MA INTERESEAZA. SUNT MULTI CARE DORESC SA AFLE ADEVARUL. |
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salimgandapur Postat pe 13 Martie 2009 06:00 |
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De la: Dor_a, la data 2009-03-12 13:49:40Partz! MAI AM MULTE DE SPUS. TU DEJA AI INCEPUT SA SCAPI PARTURI. |
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salimgandapur Postat pe 13 Martie 2009 06:08 |
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De la: Aladiah, la data 2009-03-12 14:39:24Are si crestinismul foarte multe defecte, avantajul e ca acum nu mai arzi pe rug daca spui ca Pamantul se invarte in jurul Soarelui si nu invers, sau daca esti suspectata de a fi vrajitoare, respectiv de a avea sufletul vandut diavolului. Biserica crestina s-a mai imblanzit... EU NU ATAC DOAR RASPUND LA MUNCIUNII FABRICATE. AICI AM INCERCAT SA DISCUT PROBLEME CU CINEVA INTELIGENT DAR................. AM GASIT SI UNII PARTICIPATI SERIOSI DAR ELE / EI NU MAI AU CHEF SA CONTINUE DE CAND AU INTRAT CATEVA TATE PE FORUM. ' ' |
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salimgandapur Postat pe 13 Martie 2009 06:19 |
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Mai tatule (ca sa-ti vorbesc pe limba ta), Imi explici si mie legatura intinseca dintre pedofilia prezenta in Islam si faptul ca femeile soldat americance sunt violate de colegii lor ( sa ma ierte Domnul dar stiu ca araboaicele sunt urate cu spume, asta explica multe de altfel)? Ti-am zis, daca vrei sa discuti despre Crestinism deschide un topic nou si putem duce discutii paralele. Tu raspunzi criticilor pe care eu le aduc Islamului, iar eu raspund criticilor pe care tu le aduca crestinismului. Ai inteles acum, madam balamuc? ps. Nici macar nu cred in Dumnezeu, asa ca pe mine tentativele tale patetice de a deturna discutia ma amuza pentru ca arata slabiciunea ta si a religiei tale. 
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Kathara Postat pe 13 Martie 2009 12:33 |
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De la: Kathara, la data 2009-03-13 12:33:28Mai tatule (ca sa-ti vorbesc pe limba ta), MA TzATzO (acum ti e clar) ATUNCI TE AM FACUT MADAM PHD PT CA TE AI LAUDAT CA AI UN PHD (NU STIU IN CE) NIVELUL TAU DE A JUDECA STRIGA DE LA O DISTANTA CA NU POTI AVEA NICI ZECE CLASE. AI FOLOSIT CUVANTUL "PANARAMA" CARE E VORBIT DE TOTI DERBEDEI SI DE PERSOANE CU O MORALA FOARTE DECAZUTA. IAR CAND TI AM SPUS CA EXISTA UN CUVANT "PANORAMA" CARE ARE CU TOTUL ALT INTELES, AI INSISTAT CU NERUSINARE CA "PANARAMA" E UN CUVANT ROMANESC. MADAM PHD TI AI DAT SEAMA CE IMPRESIA AI FACUT?.IAR ORICAND AI INCERCAT SA SCRII CEVA IN LIMBA ENGLEZA DE LA TINE, A IESIT UN DEZASTRU. ZICI CA TU NU CREZI IN DUMNEZEU, NU NE INTERESEAZA, POTI SA MORI FARA NICI UN DUMNEZEU. DE CE TE AI BAGAT INTR O DISCUTIE CARE INCEPUSE INTRE CRESTINI SI MUSULMANI. EI AMANDOI SI IMPREUNA CRED INTR O SINGURA PUTERE SUPREMA, DUMNEZEU SAU ALLAH. DIFERENTA E CA FIECARE IL INTELEGE IN FELUL LUI. SUNT SIGUR, PRIN COMUNICARE CONTINUA, INTR O ZI O SA AJUNGEM LA O INTELEGERE COMUNA. INTREBAREA MEA E CE CAUTA O PERSOANA INTRE NOI CARE N ARE NICI UN DUMNEZEU. CREZI CA ESTI INTERESANTA SAU MODERNA DACA TE DECLAR ASTFEL. NU ESTI DECAT O PROASTA, INTUNECATA LA CREIER SI PLINA DE VENIN. CARAGIALE SARACUL DACA MAI TRAIA, NU TREBUIA SA SE DUCA PREA DEPARTE CA S O CAUTE PE MITzA BASTON. O GASEA AICI PE FORUM. |
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salimgandapur Postat pe 14 Martie 2009 06:57 |
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