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Mai uita sa-si ia medicamentele din cand in cand, intelege-le si pe ele 
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Postat pe 11 Noiembrie 2008 10:55 |
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| eu le inteleg,pentru ca am un suflet mare si nu am nimic personal cu nicio persoana...cateodata imi sunt dragi(sunt printre putinele care chiar cunosc limba romana) dar sunt foarte haine si nu-i frumos din partea lor | ||
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vivrepouraimer Postat pe 11 Noiembrie 2008 11:00 |
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De la: crista_galli, la data 2008-11-11 10:37:30Eh, nu va suparati pe ele fetelor, mai mult nu pot. Asa considera ele ca va ajuta daca va spun ca sunteti proaste (si nu numai), ca sunteti musulmane. Nu ma intereseaza parerea persoanelor ca tine din doua motive: 1. Fiindca nu poti sa aduci argumente pentru ce spui.Dovada faptul ca nu ai raspuns posturilor mele anterioare. 2. Fiindca pentru tine toata treaba asta s-a trasnsformat intr-o disputa personala. Adica de ce sa aducem noi argumente pentru ce spunem, cand e mai usor sa aducem insulte ad hominem? Daca tu consideri in continuarae ca a vorbi impotriva unei carti care indeamna la bataia femeilor si la omorarea celor de alta credinta este ceva rau, sau ca a accepta de pilda pe cei care extirpa clitorisul fetitelor pentru ca asta e firescul lor, pur si simplu mi se pare ca esti un caz fara de speranta. De la: crista_galli, la data 2008-11-11 10:55:16Mai uita sa-si ia medicamentele din cand in cand, intelege-le si pe ele Desigur, persoanele rationale par nebune celor nerationale sau irationale. |
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beyonce_indragostita Postat pe 11 Noiembrie 2008 13:20 |
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De la: vivrepouraimer, la data 2008-11-11 10:50:21problema este ca nu sunt nici pe departe asa proasta precum isi imagineaza domnisoarele...lucru ce imi dovedeste proasta educatie si lipsa bunului simt Dupa cum te-ai exprimat aici se intelege ca te faci singura prost educata si lipsita de bun simt, deoarece in prima parte a frazei faceai referire la tine iar apoi nu exista niciun indicator care sa arate ca ai vorbit ulterior despre altcineva. Ca sa se inteleaga ca te refereai la noi ar fi trebuit ca a doua parte a frazei tale sa sune astfel:"lucru care imi dovedeste proasta lor educatie si lipsa bunului simt", "lucru care imi dovedeste la ele proasta educatie si lipsa bunului simt". De la: vivrepouraimer, la data 2008-11-11 11:00:39eu le inteleg,pentru ca am un suflet mare si nu am nimic personal cu nicio persoana...cateodata imi sunt dragi(sunt printre putinele care chiar cunosc limba romana) dar sunt foarte haine si nu-i frumos din partea lor Multumesc, e o recunoastere indirecta a faptului ca in general musulmanele care au scris pe forumul asta au fost agramate. Ceea ce conform emei si a cristei este egal cu a injura.sau conform tie este egal cu a insulta. |
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beyonce_indragostita Postat pe 11 Noiembrie 2008 13:23 |
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De la: wolfy, la data 2008-11-11 13:20:05 Nu-i asa, wolfy? Bebe campioana  Ghiciti la ce?
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Postat pe 11 Noiembrie 2008 13:36 |
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De la: vivrepouraimer, la data 2008-11-11 10:29:50da da..."A da din gura e primul pas catre a face ceva."ai vorbit ca un adevarat politician...ma amuzi foarte tare,tu si prietena ta Kathara Eu nu sunt politician, nu sunt persoana publica, si singurul mod in care pot sa iau atitudine impotriva abuzurilor comise in numele Islamului este prin a vorbi pe un forum. Propozitia corecta este: "ma amuzati foarte tare tu si prietena ta Khatara", deoarece ai aici un subiect multiplu care trebuie acordat. De la: vivrepouraimer, la data 2008-11-11 10:29:50draga mea islamul nu este o religie violenta,daca o privesti din punctul tau de vedere...probabil ca este Nu o privesc din punctul meu de vedere, o privesc din punct de vedere al Coranului, carte plina de indemnuri la violenta: The following are quotations from the Muslim holy book, the Quran (also spelled Koran), which show that original, scriptural Islam is a religion that teaches sexual inequality, brutal punishments, and military force to impose Islam on nonbelievers. It is for this reason that radical Islamic fundamentalists today are so barbaric and uncivilized by the standards of modern Christianity and Western civilization. These quotes are provided with little or no commentary. Read them for yourself and decide if you can believe that Islam, the religion of Muhammad, was truly inspired by God or was a medieval, human-created religion unsuitable for any enlightened person to practice. Note: All of these quotes are from the Yusuf Ali translation of the Koran, which is commonly used both by Muslims and Baha'is. Words in parentheses are interpolations by the translator, not part of the original Arabic text of the Koran. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The whole Qur'an is from God; discrepancies or contradictions would indicate it is not divine Before we begin to look at specific verses about sex and violence, it is important to establish that according to the Quran, every verse of the Muslim scriptures is supposed to be divine revelation. Therefore, teachings in the Quran that are morally offensive cannot be rejected or changed by Muslims, but must be accepted since the Quran says that a Muslim must accept the whole book. 3:7 And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord:" 4:82 Do they not consider the Qur'an (with care)? Had it been from other Than God, they would surely have found therein Much discrepancy. Religion should not be imposed by force; Muslims should let God alone punish the unbelievers Here are the good verses. Too bad there are many others that contradict them. 2:256 Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in God hath grasped the most trustworthy hand- hold, that never breaks. And God heareth and knoweth all things. 73:10-13 And have patience with what they say, and leave them with noble (dignity). And leave Me (alone to deal with) those in possession of the good things of life, who (yet) deny the Truth; and bear with them for a little while. With Us are Fetters (to bind them), and a Fire (to burn them), And a Food that chokes, and a Penalty Grievous. 74:11-26 Leave Me alone, (to deal) with the (creature) whom I created (bare and) alone!- To whom I granted resources in abundance, And sons to be by his side!- To whom I made (life) smooth and comfortable! Yet is he greedy-that I should add (yet more);- By no means! For to Our Signs he has been refractory! Soon will I visit him with a mount of calamities! For he thought and he plotted;- And woe to him! How he plotted!- Yea, Woe to him; How he plotted!- Then he looked round; Then he frowned and he scowled; Then he turned back and was haughty; Then said he: "This is nothing but magic, derived from of old; "This is nothing but the word of a mortal!" Soon will I cast him into Hell-Fire! God intends to enforce Muhammad's religion until it prevails in this world; Muslims can act for God As we read many of the verses listed below, we can see a contradiction or discrepancy with the statement that there should be "no compulsion in religion." But as we already read, the Quran says any discrepancy would mean the book is not from God. 48:28-29 It is He Who has sent His Apostle with Guidance and the Religion of Truth, to proclaim it over all religion: and enough is God for a Witness. Muhammad is the apostle of God; and those who are with him are strong against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other. 58:21 God has decreed: "It is I and My apostles who must prevail": For God is One full of strength, able to enforce His Will. 59:2-4 It is He Who got out the Unbelievers among the People of the Book from their homes at the first gathering (of the forces). Little did ye think that they would get out: And they thought that their fortresses would defend them from God! But the (Wrath of) God came to them from quarters from which they little expected (it), and cast terror into their hearts, so that they destroyed their dwellings by their own hands and the hands of the Believers, take warning, then, O ye with eyes (to see)! And had it not been that God had decreed banishment for them, He would certainly have punished them in this world: And in the Hereafter they shall (certainly) have the Punishment of the Fire. That is because they resisted God and His Apostle: and if any one resists God, verily God is severe in Punishment. 59:5-7 Whether ye cut down (O ye Muslim!) The tender palm-trees, or ye left them standing on their roots, it was by leave of God, and in order that He might cover with shame the rebellious transgresses [the unbelievers defeated in battle]. What God has bestowed on His Apostle (and taken away) from them - for this ye made no expedition with either cavalry or camelry: but God gives power to His apostles over any He pleases: and God has power over all things. What God has bestowed on His Apostle (and taken away) from the people of the townships,- belongs to God,- to His Apostle and to kindred and orphans, the needy and the wayfarer; In order that it may not (merely) make a circuit between the wealthy among you. So take what the Apostle assigns to you, and deny yourselves that which he withholds from you. And fear God; for God is strict in Punishment. As we can see, pillage and plunder is condoned in the Quran as a punishment for non-Muslims who resist Muslim armies. In the verse above, Muhammad even says that wantonly cutting down palm trees of an enemy town is acceptable. Amputations and slaughter of unbelievers: God is acting through the Muslims when they do this 8:12-13,17 Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them." This because they contended against God and His Apostle: If any contend against God and His Apostle, God is strict in punishment. ... It is not ye who slew them; it was God God wanted Muslims to exterminate non-Muslim army 3:152 God did indeed fulfil His promise to you when ye with His permission Were about to annihilate your enemy,- until ye flinched and fell to disputing about the order, and disobeyed it after He brought you in sight (of the booty) which ye covet. The importance of military fighting for Islam 2:216 Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But God knoweth, and ye know not. 2:217 They ask thee concerning fighting in the Prohibited Month. Say: "Fighting therein is a grave (offence); but graver is it in the sight of God to prevent access to the path of God, to deny Him, to prevent access to the Sacred Mosque, and drive out its members." Tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter. 4:84 Then fight in God's cause - Thou art held responsible only for thyself - and rouse the believers. Fight the non-Muslims to submission or conversion 8:38-39 Say to the Unbelievers, if (now) they desist (from Unbelief), their past would be forgiven them; but if they persist, the punishment of those before them is already (a matter of warning for them). And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily God doth see all that they do. 9:5 But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. 9:29 Fight those who believe not in God nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by God and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya [tribute] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. 9:123 O ye who believe! fight the unbelievers who gird you about, and let them find firmness in you: and know that God is with those who fear Him. 47:4 Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been God's Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of God,- He will never let their deeds be lost. Great benefits in the afterlife for fighting and dying for Islam 2:243-245 Didst thou not Turn by vision to those who abandoned their homes, though they were thousands (In number), for fear of death? God said to them: "Die": Then He restored them to life. For God is full of bounty to mankind, but Most of them are ungrateful. Then fight in the cause of God, and know that God Heareth and knoweth all things. Who is he that will loan to God a beautiful loan, which God will double unto his credit and multiply many times? It is God that giveth (you) Want or plenty, and to Him shall be your return. 4:74 Let those fight in the cause of God Who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fighteth in the cause of God,- whether he is slain or gets victory - Soon shall We give him a reward of great (value). 4:76-77 Those who believe fight in the cause of God, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan: feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan. Hast thou not turned Thy vision to those who were told to hold back their hands (from fight) but establish regular prayers and spend in regular charity? When (at length) the order for fighting was issued to them, behold! a section of them feared men as - or even more than - they should have feared God: They said: "Our Lord! Why hast Thou ordered us to fight? Wouldst Thou not Grant us respite to our (natural) term, near (enough)?" Say: "Short is the enjoyment of this world: the Hereafter is the best for those who do right: Never will ye be dealt with unjustly in the very least! 4:95-96 Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of God with their goods and their persons. God hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath God promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,- Ranks specially bestowed by Him, and Forgiveness and Mercy. For God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. 9:111 God hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than God? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme. Desire for death is the only way to demonstrate true belief 62:6 Say: "O ye that stand on Judaism! If ye think that ye are friends to God, to the exclusion of (other) men, then express your desire for Death, if ye are truthful!" Muslims who refuse to fight will be punished by God 9:38-39,41,44-45 O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of God, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least. For God hath power over all things. ... Go ye forth, (whether equipped) lightly or heavily, and strive and struggle, with your goods and your persons, in the cause of God. That is best for you, if ye (but) knew. ... Those who believe in God and the Last Day ask thee for no exemption from fighting with their goods and persons. And God knoweth well those who do their duty. Only those ask thee for exemption who believe not in God and the Last Day, and whose hearts are in doubt, so that they are tossed in their doubts to and fro. 48:17 No blame is there on the blind, nor is there blame on the lame, nor on one ill (if he joins not the war): But he that obeys God and his Apostle,- (God) will admit him to Gardens beneath which rivers flow; and he who turns back, (God) will punish him with a grievous Penalty. Muslims who want the war against non-Muslims to stop are hypocrites 63:7 They [the hypocrites] are the ones who say, "Spend nothing on those who are with God's Apostle, to the end that they may disperse (and quit Medina)." But to God belong the treasures of the heavens and the earth; but the Hypocrites understand not. Execution and torture for those who fight against the Muslim armies 5:36 The punishment of those who wage war against God and His Apostle, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter; Apostates should be executed if they resist the Muslim armies 4:88-91 Why should ye be divided into two parties about the Hypocrites? God hath upset them for their (evil) deeds. Would ye guide those whom God hath thrown out of the Way? For those whom God hath thrown out of the Way, never shalt thou find the Way. They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of God (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks;- Except those who join a group between whom and you there is a treaty (of peace), or those who approach you with hearts restraining them from fighting you as well as fighting their own people. If God had pleased, He could have given them power over you, and they would have fought you: Therefore if they withdraw from you but fight you not, and (instead) send you (Guarantees of) peace, then God Hath opened no way for you (to war against them). Others you will find that wish to gain your confidence as well as that of their people: Every time they are sent back to temptation, they succumb thereto: if they withdraw not from you nor give you (guarantees) of peace besides restraining their hands, seize them and slay them wherever ye get them: In their case We have provided you with a clear argument against them. Muhammad controls the spoils of war and keeps a portion 8:1 They ask thee concerning (things taken as) spoils of war. Say: "(such) spoils are at the disposal of God and the Apostle: So fear God, and keep straight the relations between yourselves: Obey God and His Apostle, if ye do believe." 8:41 And know that out of all the booty that ye may acquire (in war), a fifth share is assigned to God,- and to the Apostle, and to near relatives, orphans, the needy, and the wayfarer Principle of "eye for an eye" 2:178-179 O ye who believe! the law of equality is prescribed to you in cases of murder: the free for the free, the slave for the slave, the woman for the woman. But if any remission is made by the brother of the slain, then grant any reasonable demand, and compensate him with handsome gratitude, this is a concession and a Mercy from your Lord. After this whoever exceeds the limits shall be in grave penalty. In the Law of Equality there is (saving of) Life to you, o ye men of understanding; that ye may restrain yourselves. 2:190-194 Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loveth not transgressors. And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith. But if they cease, God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression. The prohibited month for the prohibited month,- and so for all things prohibited,- there is the law of equality. If then any one transgresses the prohibition against you, Transgress ye likewise against him. But fear God, and know that God is with those who restrain themselves. 3:140 If a wound hath touched you, be sure a similar wound hath touched the others. 42:40-43 The recompense for an injury is an injury equal thereto (in degree): but if a person forgives and makes reconciliation, his reward is due from God: for (God) loveth not those who do wrong. But indeed if any do help and defend themselves after a wrong (done) to them, against such there is no cause of blame. The blame is only against those who oppress men and wrong-doing and insolently transgress beyond bounds through the land, defying right and justice: for such there will be a penalty grievous. But indeed if any show patience and forgive, that would truly be an exercise of courageous will and resolution in the conduct of affairs. Don't be friends with non-Muslims 3:28 Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from God: except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them. 3:118 O ye who believe! Take not into your intimacy those outside your ranks: They will not fail to corrupt you. They only desire your ruin: Rank hatred has already appeared from their mouths: What their hearts conceal is far worse. We have made plain to you the Signs, if ye have wisdom. 4:144 O ye who believe! Take not for friends unbelievers rather than believers: Do ye wish to offer God an open proof against yourselves? 5:54 O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily God guideth not a people unjust. 6:159 As for those who divide their religion and break up into sects, thou hast no part in them in the least: their affair is with God: He will in the end tell them the truth of all that they did. 60:1,8-9 O ye who believe! Take not my enemies and yours as friends (or protectors),- offering them (your) love, even though they have rejected the Truth that has come to you, and have (on the contrary) driven out the Prophet and yourselves (from your homes), (simply) because ye believe in God your Lord! If ye have come out to strive in My Way and to seek My Good Pleasure, (take them not as friends), holding secret converse of love (and friendship) with them: for I know full well all that ye conceal and all that ye reveal. And any of you that does this has strayed from the Straight Path. ... God forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for God loveth those who are just. God only forbids you, with regard to those who fight you for (your) Faith, and drive you out of your homes, and support (others) in driving you out, from turning to them (for friendship and protection). It is such as turn to them (in these circumstances), that do wrong. There seems to be a contradiction here. In some verses, Muhammad says not to take any unbelievers, Jews or Christians as friends. In another verse, he says only to avoid unbelievers who fight against Muslims. Apostates are accursed 3:85-87 If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to God), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good). How shall God Guide those who reject Faith after they accepted it and bore witness that the Apostle was true and that Clear Signs had come unto them? but God guides not a people unjust. Of such the reward is that on them (rests) the curse of God, of His angels, and of all mankind;- 2:217 And if any of you Turn back from their faith and die in unbelief, their works will bear no fruit in this life and in the Hereafter; they will be companions of the Fire and will abide therein. 16:106-110 Any one who, after accepting faith in God, utters Unbelief,- except under compulsion, his heart remaining firm in Faith - but such as open their breast to Unbelief, on them is Wrath from God, and theirs will be a dreadful Penalty. This because they love the life of this world better than the Hereafter: and God will not guide those who reject Faith. Those are they whose hearts, ears, and eyes God has sealed up, and they take no heed. Without doubt, in the Hereafter they will perish. But verily thy Lord,- to those who leave their homes after trials and persecutions,- and who thereafter strive and fight for the faith and patiently persevere,- Thy Lord, after all this is oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. Don't marry non-Muslims 2:221 Do not marry unbelieving women (idolaters), until they believe: A slave woman who believes is better than an unbelieving woman, even though she allures you. Nor marry (your girls) to unbelievers until they believe: A man slave who believes is better than an unbeliever, even though he allures you. Unbelievers do (but) beckon you to the Fire. But God beckons by His Grace to the Garden (of bliss) and forgiveness, and makes His Signs clear to mankind: That they may celebrate His praise. God regards women as inferior to men 37:149-155 Now ask them their opinion: Is it that thy Lord has (only) daughters, and they have sons?- Or that We created the angels female, and they are witnesses (thereto)? Is it not that they say, from their own invention, "God has begotten children"? but they are liars! Did He (then) choose daughters rather than sons? What is the matter with you? How judge ye? Will ye not then receive admonition? Stay away from menstruating women 2:222 They ask thee concerning women's courses. Say: They are a hurt and a pollution: So keep away from women in their courses, and do not approach them until they are clean. But when they have purified themselves, ye may approach them in any manner, time, or place ordained for you by God. For God loves those who turn to Him constantly and He loves those who keep themselves pure and clean. Women are sexual objects 2:223 Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will; Women have less rights, lower legal status than men 2:228 And women shall have rights similar to the rights against them, according to what is equitable; but men have a degree (of advantage) over them. And God is Exalted in Power, Wise. 2:282 get two witnesses, out of your own men, and if there are not two men, then a man and two women, such as ye choose, for witnesses, so that if one of them errs, the other can remind her. 4:11 God (thus) directs you as regards your Children's (Inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females 4:176 They ask thee for a legal decision. Say: God directs (thus) about those who leave no descendants or ascendants as heirs. ... if there are brothers and sisters, (they share), the male having twice the share of the female. Men can marry up to four women if they treat them equally; unlimited forcible concubines permitted In Islam, not only are men allowed to practice polygamy, but they may also capture women in war and use them as sex slaves. This is considered morally legitimate according to the Quran. In other words, non-Muslim women have no right to be free from the horror of slavery and serial rape by Muslim military men. 4:3 Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice. 4:24 Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess 4:25 If any of you have not the means wherewith to wed free believing women, they may wed believing girls from among those whom your right hands possess 23:1,5-6 The believers .... abstain from sex, Except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess,- for (in their case) they are free from blame, 70:29-30,35 And those who guard their chastity, Except with their wives and the (captives) whom their right hands possess,- for (then) they are not to be blamed, ... Such will be the honoured ones in the Gardens (of Bliss). Muhammad can go beyond the four-wife restriction, can treat his own wives and sex slaves unequally 33:50-52 O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom God has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with thee; and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her;- this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large); We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess;- in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And God is Oft- Forgiving, Most Merciful. Thou mayest defer (the turn of) any of them that thou pleasest, and thou mayest receive any thou pleasest: and there is no blame on thee if thou invite one whose (turn) thou hadst set aside. This were nigher to the cooling of their eyes, the prevention of their grief, and their satisfaction - that of all of them - with that which thou hast to give them: and God knows (all) that is in your hearts: and God is All-Knowing, Most Forbearing. It is not lawful for thee (to marry more) women after this, nor to change them for (other) wives, even though their beauty attract thee, except any thy right hand should possess (as handmaidens): and God doth watch over all things. Nobody can marry Muhammad's widows after he is dead 33:53 And when ye ask (his ladies) for anything ye want, ask them from before a screen: that makes for greater purity for your hearts and for theirs. Nor is it right for you that ye should... marry his [Muhammad's] widows after him at any time. Truly such a thing is in God's sight an enormity. Muhammad's wives should stay in their houses 33:32-33 O Consorts of the Prophet! ... stay quietly in your houses, and make not a dazzling display, like that of the former Times of Ignorance; Muhammad decides to marry his adopted son's wife, despite objections The prophet Muhammad forced his adopted son, Zaid, to divorce his wife so that Muhammad could marry her. This was scandalous for the community, but Muhammad claimed he did this because God told him to, and he told the Muslims they had no right to question his decisions. Most people thought the real reason was because Muhammad lusted after a married woman and used his authority over the community to do whatever he desired, which seems like a more likely explanation. 33:36-39 It is not fitting for a Believer, man or woman, when a matter has been decided by God and His Apostle to have any option about their decision: if any one disobeys God and His Apostle, he is indeed on a clearly wrong Path. Behold! Thou didst say to one who had received the grace of God and thy favour: "Retain thou (in wedlock) thy wife, and fear God." But thou didst hide in thy heart that which God was about to make manifest: thou didst fear the people, but it is more fitting that thou shouldst fear God. Then when Zaid had dissolved (his marriage) with her, with the necessary (formality), We joined her in marriage to thee [Muhammad]: in order that (in future) there may be no difficulty to the Believers in (the matter of) marriage with the wives of their adopted sons, when the latter have dissolved with the necessary (formality) (their marriage) with them. And God's command must be fulfilled. There can be no difficulty to the Prophet in what God has indicated to him as a duty. It was the practice (approved) of God amongst those of old that have passed away. And the command of God is a decree determined. (It is the practice of those) who preach the Messages of God, and fear Him, and fear none but God. And enough is God to call (men) to account. Muhammad can divorce his wives whenever he wants and get new ones who are more submissive 66:1-5 O Prophet! Why holdest thou to be forbidden that which God has made lawful to thee? Thou seekest to please thy consorts. But God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. God has already ordained for you, (O men), the dissolution of your oaths (in some cases): and God is your Protector, and He is Full of Knowledge and Wisdom. When the Prophet disclosed a matter in confidence to one of his consorts, and she then divulged it (to another), and God made it known to him, he confirmed part thereof and repudiated a part. Then when he told her thereof, she said, "Who told thee this? "He said, "He told me Who knows and is well-acquainted (with all things)." If ye two turn in repentance to Him, your hearts are indeed so inclined; But if ye back up each other against him, truly God is his Protector, and Gabriel, and (every) righteous one among those who believe,- and furthermore, the angels - will back (him) up. It may be, if he divorced you (all), that God will give him in exchange consorts better than you,- who submit (their wills), who believe, who are devout, who turn to God in repentance, who worship (in humility), who travel (for Faith) and fast,- previously married or virgins. "Lewd" women should be punished with life imprisonment 4:15 If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, Take the evidence of four (Reliable) witnesses from amongst you against them; and if they testify, confine them to houses until death do claim them, or God ordain for them some (other) way. It is unclear what "lewdness" actually means. This verse is so open-ended, almost any woman could potentially be accused of lewdness and sentenced to a life of house arrest, except ultraconservative women who never do anything to offend strict Muslim men. Husbands should beat disobedient wives 4:34 Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because God has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what God would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For God is Most High, great (above you all). Note: parenthetical insertions make this verse sound less harsh than it really is in more literal translations. For example, the original Arabic text does not say to beat wives "lightly" -- just to beat them. Stealing should be punished by amputation of hands 5:41 As to the thief, Male or female, cut off his or her hands: a punishment by way of example, from God, for their crime: and God is Exalted in power. When a person has no hands, they probably cannot earn a living anymore, so they will end up as a beggar on the street. That doesn't seem very beneficial to society. Also, before medical sanitation and anesthesia, amputation of the hands was in many cases the equivalent of a death sentence. Adultery and fornication must be punished by flogging with a hundred stripes 24:2 The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication,- flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by God, if ye believe in God and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment. This verse leaves no other option for Muslims who believe in the divine origin of the Quran. It specifically says they must not have mercy on people who have committed adultery or fornication, and that this brutal punishment of 100 lashes is "prescribed by God." However, since other verses in the Quran specifically allow men to have sex slaves, the horrible crime of serial rape against a non-Muslim woman is not considered adultery or fornication and would not be punished if the woman is considered a concubine. People who have committed adultery or fornication lose the right to marry chaste Muslims 24:3 Let no man guilty of adultery or fornication marry any but a woman similarly guilty, or an Unbeliever: nor let any but such a man or an Unbeliever marry such a woman: to the Believers such a thing is forbidden. Anyone who falsely accuses a chaste woman should be flogged with eighty stripes 24:4-5 And those who launch a charge against chaste women, and produce not four witnesses (to support their allegations),- flog them with eighty stripes; and reject their evidence ever after: for such men are wicked transgressors;- Unless they repent thereafter and mend (their conduct); for God is Oft- Forgiving, Most Merciful. Women should wear veils outside the home 24:30-31 Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty: that will make for greater purity for them: And God is well acquainted with all that they do. And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or the slaves whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex; and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O ye Believers! turn ye all together towards God, that ye may attain Bliss. Coverings should be worn by women in open society to prevent molestation (except the elderly) 33:59 O Prophet! Tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women, that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad): that is most convenient, that they should be known (as such) and not molested. And God is Oft- Forgiving, Most Merciful. 24:60 Such elderly women as are past the prospect of marriage,- there is no blame on them if they lay aside their (outer) garments, provided they make not a wanton display of their beauty: but it is best for them to be modest: and God is One Who sees and knows all things. It is unclear what exactly these "outer garments" are or how completely they are supposed to cover the woman's body, but restrictive garments such as the Afghan burqa would certainly be in accordance with the Quran, and probably originated because of these Quranic verses. Some people are mischief-makers but don't realize it Let's end with this interesting verse: 2:11-12 When it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "Why, we only Want to make peace!" Of a surety, they are the ones who make mischief, but they realise (it) not. This verse is very ironic. The mischief-makers in this verse sound a lot like what Muslims say today: "Islam is a religion of peace!" they insist, while Muslim fundamentalists around the world are practicing terrorism, fighting wars in the name of Islam, violating people's basic human rights and abusing women according to the teachings of the Quran. Fii atenta te rog la ultimul paragraf. Este opinia celui care a scris articolul. In rest sunt numai ciatate din Coran pe care poti sa le verifici oricand. |
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beyonce_indragostita Postat pe 11 Noiembrie 2008 13:39 |
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De la: wolfy, la data 2008-11-11 13:20:05Dovada faptul ca nu ai raspuns posturilor mele anterioare. Apropos, ai pus vreo intrebare? 
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Postat pe 11 Noiembrie 2008 13:44 |
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De la: crista_galli, la data 2008-11-11 13:36:29De la: wolfy, la data 2008-11-11 13:20:05 Nu m-ai citit cu atentie. Eu aduc INTORDEAUNA argumente pentru ce spun. Repet, INTOTDEAUNA. Si nu insult decat dupa ce am fost insultata. Adica daca se gaseste vreo agaramata sa-mi spuna ca sunt proasta, ii arat imediat cam la ce nivel se afla inteligenta ei. Asa ca incearca in alta parte cu replicile astea fara miez. De fapt toata disputa a inceput de la tine, care ma urmareai pe mine pe forum sa ma intrebi ce am cu oana. Iar eu ti-am arat ce am cu oana. Sunt extrem de putine instances in care am jignit-o, si asta numai dupa ce am fost jignita de ea in repetate randuri. La inceput am incercat cu sarcasmul,dar fiindca nu a mers, mi-am permis sa o si insult. Si sa nu uitam ca nu a fost vorba numai de insulte, ci si de amenintari cu bataia si moartea, plus acuzatii false. Apoi,daca nu ma insel si tu ai spus aici ca ai injurat o tipa fiindca te-a injurat ea mai intai. Ei, ghici ce? Este si cazul meu si al oanei, sau elmasri, sau pisi. Si mai am o intrebare: de ce mi-ai ciuntit postul? Te-am intrebat daca in opinia ta e rau sa vorbesti impotriva unei carti care indeamna la bataia femeilor si la omorarea necredinciosilor(politeistii,crestinii, evreii). Sau daca e in ordine sa acceptam ca in Africa exista barbati care extirpa clitorisul fetitelor lor, motivand ca asta e firescul celor despre care vorbim? |
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beyonce_indragostita Postat pe 11 Noiembrie 2008 13:48 |
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De la: crista_galli, la data 2008-11-11 13:44:35De la: wolfy, la data 2008-11-11 13:20:05Dovada faptul ca nu ai raspuns posturilor mele anterioare. Foarte multe. Nu stii sa citesti??? 
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beyonce_indragostita Postat pe 11 Noiembrie 2008 13:49 |
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De la: crista_galli, la data 2008-11-11 13:44:35De la: wolfy, la data 2008-11-11 13:20:05Dovada faptul ca nu ai raspuns posturilor mele anterioare. Si mai vreau sa-ti spun ceva: daca te hotarasti sa scrii si sa vorbesti exclusiv in limba romana, fara cuvinte din limbi straine, cum ar fi franceza de pilda, trebuie sa fii constienta de faptul ca se scrie "apropo" conform DEX-ului. Daca te hotarasti sa adopti grafia franceza, foloseste-o pe cea corecta: a propos. Erata: De la: wolfy, la data 2008-11-11 13:48:40De fapt toata disputa a inceput de la tine, care ma urmareai pe mine pe forum sa ma intrebi ce am cu oana. Iar eu ti-am arat ce am cu oana. Sunt extrem de putine instances in care am jignit-o, si asta numai dupa ce am fost jignita de ea in repetate randuri. La inceput am incercat cu sarcasmul,dar fiindca nu a mers, mi-am permis sa o si insult. Si sa nu uitam ca DIN PARTEA EI nu a fost vorba numai de insulte, ci si de amenintari cu bataia si moartea, plus acuzatii false. [/quote] |
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beyonce_indragostita Postat pe 11 Noiembrie 2008 14:07 |
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Wolfy, te iubesc  Ma dau batuta, inteligenta mea nu-ti ajunge tie nici pana la coapsa. Gata nu mai am ce sa zic, ai castigat. Ah, vezi ca te striga Obreja
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Postat pe 11 Noiembrie 2008 14:09 |
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De la: wolfy, la data 2008-11-11 14:07:58De la: crista_galli, la data 2008-11-11 13:44:35De la: wolfy, la data 2008-11-11 13:20:05Dovada faptul ca nu ai raspuns posturilor mele anterioare. Si mai vreau sa-ti spun ceva: daca te hotarasti sa scrii si sa vorbesti exclusiv in limba romana, fara cuvinte din limbi straine, cum ar fi franceza de pilda, trebuie sa fii constienta de faptul ca se scrie "apropo" conform DEX-ului. Daca te hotarasti sa adopti grafia franceza, foloseste-o pe cea corecta: a propos.[/quote] Hotaraste-te iubita cum vrei sa scriu si fac ca tine 
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Postat pe 11 Noiembrie 2008 14:10 |
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De la: crista_galli, la data 2008-11-11 14:10:45Hotaraste-te iubita cum vrei sa scriu si fac ca tine Nu eu trebuie sa hotarasc, tu trebuie s-o faci. Esti inconsecventa: acum cateva zile imi spunei ca scrii madam, fiindca asa se scrie in romana, excluzand deci grafia franceza, astazi pentru un alt cuvant adopiti grafaia francez, insa pe cea gresita. De la: crista_galli, la data 2008-11-11 14:09:16Wolfy, te iubesc Nu ma intereseaza ironiile atat timp cat nu raspunzi intrebarilor mele. Si daca nu poti sa raspunzi te rog sa nu mai agasezi cu posturile tale. Ai putea sa-ti petreci timpul intr-un mod mai placut, cu alte persoane. La revedere! |
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beyonce_indragostita Postat pe 11 Noiembrie 2008 14:15 |
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De la: wolfy, la data 2008-11-11 13:23:48br /> |
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vivrepouraimer Postat pe 11 Noiembrie 2008 15:01 |
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aaaaa referitor la pasajele postate...nu te pot contrazice,ai dreptate...ceea ce am incercat eu sa spun este ca nu peste tot ceea ce scrie in Coran se si indeplineste,drept dovada sunt multe femei musulmane independente si sunt multe femei musulmane fericite,sunt multi musulmani pasnici,care isi doresc pacea si sunt multi musulmani care ii respecta pe cei din jur indiferent de religia lor |
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vivrepouraimer Postat pe 11 Noiembrie 2008 15:05 |
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De la: vivrepouraimer, la data 2008-11-10 14:54:28m-am convertit pentru ca asa am simtit,pentru ca m-am documentat,am meditat si apoi am luat decizia de a ma converti...Coran-ul nu sta in citatele rautacioase extrase de voi in plus lumea a evoluat dar Coran-ul ramane acelasi"nemodificat de mana umana",din pacate aici am gasuit raspunsuri pe care crestinismul nu mi le-a oferit,biblia este o carte sfanta dar a suferit modificari pe parcursul anilor O carte sfanta este sfanta in tot ceea ce ea cuprinde, intelegi? Cum se presupune ca a fost soptita de un arhanghel, rezulta ca citatele aratate aici (care sunt mai mult decat doua) sunt la fel de valabile ca si restul cartii. Nu stiu ce sunt musulmanii atat de obsedati de ideea ca Biblia a suferit modificari din moment ce niciunul dintre ei nu cred ca a citit Codex Sinaiticus cum sunt sigura ca nici tu nu ai citit Coranul in araba veche ca sa poti face astfel de judecati. Cat despre eliberarea din sclavie a femeilor - vesti proaste, Iisus facuse asta deja cu mult timp in urma. ca societatea araba era mai inapoiata asta-i alta mancare de peste, dar daca ma duc intr-un trib de papuasi si le "descopar" telefonul asta nu ma faca Alexander Graham Bell. De la: vivrepouraimer, la data 2008-11-10 14:54:28 Vezi, problema ta e ca ma confunzi cu oana, eu nu am venit pe aici nici sa fac pe zana nici sa ma dau mare cu ceea ce fac in timpul liber. Fac destule pentru lucrurile care sunt importante pentru mine; si dincolo de voluntariat, afla ca familia mea a si infiat un copil. Nu prea pot sa fac ceva pentru femeile asuprite din tarile arabe decat sa fiu sigura ca vorbesc pentru cine nu poate vorbi. In ceea ce priveste caracterizarea pe care ti-am facut-o - am lucrat cu materialul pe care mi l-ai dat. Cum altfel poti caracteriza o persoana care spune ca in Europe femeile sufera mai mult ca in Arabia saudita sau Iran? |
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Kathara Postat pe 11 Noiembrie 2008 16:22 |
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De la: vivrepouraimer, la data 2008-11-11 10:29:50da da..."A da din gura e primul pas catre a face ceva."ai vorbit ca un adevarat politician...ma amuzi foarte tare,tu si prietena ta Kathara La inceput a fost cuvantul. Totul incepe de la rostire. Islamul este o religie violenta sin orice punct de vedere ai privi-o. "Omoara necredinciosii" e un act perceput drept violent din cam orice unghi ai privi. |
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Kathara Postat pe 11 Noiembrie 2008 16:24 |
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De la: vivrepouraimer, la data 2008-11-11 10:50:21problema este ca nu sunt nici pe departe asa proasta precum isi imagineaza domnisoarele...lucru ce imi dovedeste proasta educatie si lipsa bunului simt Eu te compar cu oamenii destepti pe care ii stiu; poate in mediul tau esti considerata drept desteapta, potrivit standardelor mele nu esti. |
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Kathara Postat pe 11 Noiembrie 2008 16:25 |
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De la: vivrepouraimer, la data 2008-11-11 15:05:03aaaaa referitor la pasajele postate...nu te pot contrazice,ai dreptate...ceea ce am incercat eu sa spun este ca nu peste tot ceea ce scrie in Coran se si indeplineste,drept dovada sunt multe femei musulmane independente si sunt multe femei musulmane fericite,sunt multi musulmani pasnici,care isi doresc pacea si sunt multi musulmani care ii respecta pe cei din jur indiferent de religia lor Nu despre asta era problema, este evident ca sunt destul de multi musulmani pe care-i duce capul putin mai mult decat sa urmeze ca oile ce scrie in coran si bravo lor! problema este ca tu de buna voie ai intrat intr-o religie care te pune pe tine ca femeie intr-o situatie inferioara. Ar fi ca si cum eu as avea mana libera sa ii omor pe toti cei care imi intra in curte iar tu ai destula incredere in mine ca nu voi folosi dreptul asta. Ba mai mult, crezi ca daca nu l-am exercitat asupra ta nu-l voi folosi niciodata sau ca ceilalti nu-l utilizeaza. Despre asta e vorba, despre a intra de buna-voia intr-un statut inferior. Ceea ce iar nu ma deranjeaza daca ai avea (un tu general) taria de a recunoaste, de a spune, "da, m-am indragostit, barbatul mi-a cerut sa imi schimb religia - un fel de prostitutie sufleteasca dupa parerea mea, dar, in fine, conteaza mai ptin - si imi dau seama ca din dragoste am acceptat sa intru intr-o religie care ma discrimineaza. Daca ar recunoaste asta, jos palaria! Nu asa sa imi spuneti cat de bine e in lumea musulmana (pentru ca nu e, am destul de multi prieteni in Golf sa stiu cum merge treaba cu adevarat) sau ce revelatii ati avut voi! |
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Kathara Postat pe 11 Noiembrie 2008 16:31 |
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Postat pe 11 Noiembrie 2008 16:34 |
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De la: crista_galli, la data 2008-11-11 16:34:54Psst, Kathara, si ortodoxismul pune femeia intr-o situatie inferioara, intreaba-l pe parintele Kudicii daca nu ma crezi mickyyo_parintele Da, sunt constienta de asta, e unul dintre motivele pentru care nu sunt ortodoxa. Dar de la a permite 4 neveste pe care e recomandat sa le bati cand nu se poarta frumos pana la a zice ca barbatul e capul familiei e drum lung! Gradul de disciminare e mult diferit! |
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Kathara Postat pe 11 Noiembrie 2008 16:36 |
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De la: vivrepouraimer, la data 2008-11-11 15:05:03aaaaa referitor la pasajele postate...nu te pot contrazice,ai dreptate...ceea ce am incercat eu sa spun este ca nu peste tot ceea ce scrie in Coran se si indeplineste,drept dovada sunt multe femei musulmane independente si sunt multe femei musulmane fericite,sunt multi musulmani pasnici,care isi doresc pacea si sunt multi musulmani care ii respecta pe cei din jur indiferent de religia lor Da, am mai scris despre asta. Sunt musulmani(putini de altfel) pe care ii duce mintea mai mult decat pe ceilalti, si atunci normal ca nu aplica tot ce scrie in Coran. Dar aici eu am vorbit despre cele doua religii, despre faptul ca cei mai multi dintre voi considera ca e normal sa bati sau sa omori fiindca asa scrie intr-o carte considerata ca fiind de origine divina. Adica daca asa a zis Allah, omul sa nu aplice? Ba da, aplica. Din cauza asta in tarile arabe se vorbeste la televizor despre cum sa-ti bati nevasta conform Coranului. Pentru ca la ei asta e ceva normal, firesc, urmand regulile divine.Si Allah nu greseste niciodata, nu-i asa? De la: vivrepouraimer, la data 2008-11-11 15:05:03aaaaa referitor la pasajele postate...nu te pot contrazice,ai dreptate...ceea ce am incercat eu sa spun este ca nu peste tot ceea ce scrie in Coran se si indeplineste Practic tu spui aici ca Islamul este o religie violenta, dar in ciuda violentei ei, multi musulmani aleg sa fie pasnici. Mersi foarte mult. Am cazut in cele din urma de acord. Numai ca din cate inteleg eu lucrurile stau asa: Islamul este o religie violenta, si cu toate ca sunt unii adepti pasnici, majoritatea aplica in viata de zi cu zi ce scrie in Coran fiindca in opinia lor cartea este de origine divina. Si din moment ce spui ca nu toti aplica Coranul,iar neaplicarea are ca rezultat lipsa de violenta fata de alte religii si fericirea femeilor, inseamna ca recunosti implicit ca sunt in aceasta carte versete nedrepte . Deci gresite. Si daca sunt gresite, cum poate fi Coranul o scriere de origine divina? Astept raspuns. |
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beyonce_indragostita Postat pe 11 Noiembrie 2008 21:27 |
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De la: vivrepouraimer, la data 2008-11-11 15:01:11De la: wolfy, la data 2008-11-11 13:23:48br /> |
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beyonce_indragostita Postat pe 11 Noiembrie 2008 21:39 |
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De la: wolfy, la data 2008-11-11 21:39:21 A propos, femeia ignoranta din exemplul meu nu erai tu. Vorbeam la modul general. |
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beyonce_indragostita Postat pe 11 Noiembrie 2008 22:34 |
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Postat pe 11 Noiembrie 2008 22:51 |
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Buna fetelor...vad c-ati abandonat celalalt topic....va regasesc aici. 
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kassandry Postat pe 12 Noiembrie 2008 01:16 |
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buna seara wolfy si kathara..!!! a fost, ziua mea de nastere... batran...,recunosc !! aveti dreptate ,44 de ani  stirb,alcoolist, pute gura ....!!! atentie ,kathara...!! VA INFORMEZ pe voi si pe altii ca voi..,ca aici este un topic DESTINAT injuraturilor...!!! iar eu Sultanul ...,sunt dispus sa injur pe cei ce ma insulta.. deja.., se vede ca de zeci de ori..,ca sunt pus in ipostaze,care nu-mi fac cinste..!!!! vedeti ultimile mesaja ale lui wolfy.. deranjant este faptul ,ca eu nu am mai intrat... poate acum ..,unii vor vrea mai putin sau mai deloc, sa ma cunoasca !! ma refeream direct, la cei ce ..., daca vor ajunge in strada...,vor fi muritori ,de foame...!! sau...,isi vor dori sa devina OAMENI !! special pt voi, de la TRACTORISTU'...  ASTA ...,ca ne aflam pe un topic de injuraturi  mergeti in LUMEA VOASTRA ...,adica la si daca mai stati si insistati sa faceti doar ceea ce puteti si stiti...,pe un topic de injuraturi,chiar sa va ia...!! pana acum am avut RESPECT ,pt wolfy si scarba..., pt kathara...!!! se pare ca cineva insista sa schimbam rolurile.. vreau sa INJUR ,pe cei care MERITA !! Si o voi face ca la usa voastra...  :sml-happyADICA ...,voi fi TIGAN(cand spun tigan,spun NUMAI o parte )...!! RUSINE wolfy..,credeam in tine..!!!  de la mine, ce meritati..   :sml-fightintimpul...,va decide !! musulmani ,crestini ,budisti ......,astea si atat aveti in cap..!!! cu SEXUL,CU VIATA ....,CUM MAI STATI DRAGELOR...?????????? RUSINE VOUA ..... de la Sultanu' adunate.... 
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Kathara fata mea de draqu te bagi tu in viata mea. eu sunt convertita de mult timp,am avut o problema in familie,am facut ce am facut si cineva mi-a recomandat o carte ceva de genul"regasirea pacii sufletului" si acolo se vorbea despre islam,despre cuvantul lui Allah si multe altele si dupa ceva timp m-am convertit,in momentul convertirii in fata martorilor trebuie sa spui adevaratele motive ale convertirii(cele care spun ca s-au convertit pt iubire sua mai stiu eu ce imanul nu le va accepta) dupa ceva timp am fost in franta si acolo l-am conscut pe actualul sot care intamplator este musulman(ne-am cunoscut intr-un bar)...deci nu m-am convertit pentru nimeni ci pentru ca asa am crezut eu ca imi va fii bine...si crede-ma de cand sunt convertita viata mea a luat o noua intorsatura mult mai buna(probabil a fost autosugestia...dar aveam nevoie de un imbold) acum ai inteles de ce m-am convertit?si uite ca mai imi si place,asa ca sa nu te mai fu.. grija de mine ca incepi sa ma enervezi |
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vivrepouraimer Postat pe 12 Noiembrie 2008 12:10 |
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De la: vivrepouraimer, la data 2008-11-12 12:10:27Kathara fata mea de draqu te bagi tu in viata mea. aaaa..draguta nu ai de ce sa te enervezi...invidia ei..este mare...se pare ca a fost invatata de mica sa se uite in curtea vecinului...deh mai sunt si oameni care nu pot dormi de grija altora...asa ca las-o sa-si faca damblaua singura...ca tot ceea ce vrea sustine ...si nu ca ar stii..dar deh..inteligenta asta..deja miroase a ars....
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mafia_nrr1 Postat pe 12 Noiembrie 2008 13:01 |
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De la: stef_reloaded, la data 2008-11-12 02:30:29buna seara wolfy si kathara..!!! Nu ma intereseaza, deci scuteste-ma! |
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| CE CITESTI IN ACEST MOMENT ? | 196 | De la: kudika_23609 31 Ianuarie 2015 22:40 |
| Suntem fericiti? de ce? | 17 | De la: ironia 28 Februarie 2011 22:14 |
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| Tatuajul la sprancene Doare? | 16 | De la: kudika_975140 2 Noiembrie 2014 17:54 |
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